Trump tweets about North Korea and China

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Oh yes, there WILL be tremendous positive change after his presidency is over. I just think that the vast majority of Americans would prefer that the change not generally stem from the fact that they literally have to "rise like the phoenix" because Trump burned the country to the ground. There are plenty of ways to achieve change that don't involve dredging up quite literally the rogues gallery of every failed republican fuckhead out there and installing them in the Whitehouse so they can do maximum damage before finally getting the boot. I mean, yeah, a rousing recovery after a terrible fall always sounds great, unless you happen to be the one living through the fall.

Calling Trump a good business man is like calling that guy with the hacksaw and tourniquet a great doctor because he managed to cut your leg off without killing you (oh, but he might have given you tetanus and he probably didn't actually need to remove the leg).

Trump is a hack. He is literally the embodiment of a stereotypical used car salesman who managed to fail his way upwards into the veneer of success. The guy was born with a golden spoon in his mouth, handed a giantass wad of money by his father, and managed to fail that away so many times that every major bank in America eventually refused to give him credit. He actually managed to fuck up running casinos. In Atlantic city. That's about on the same level as failing to effectively market porn to horny teenagers. If you follow his business history, it becomes pretty easily identifiable that pretty much the only thing he has ever been good at is grafting onto other peoples money to do shit, slapping his name on it, and then leaving someone else holding the bill. I mean, look at his current pet project. He has a handful of golf courses with his name slapped on them, and pretty much every one is in the process of tanking.

The idea of "Trump the Business Man" running the United States of America should be absolutely horrifying to literally anyone who has spent more then 30 seconds looking at his business history, or even taken a casual glimpse at the way he "runs" any of his businesses.

I honestly think you're grossly exagerating many of your points. Tone your points down a bit, be a little bit more moderate about it, and you'll live through the next four years much better.

Yes, Trump's not a good thing to think when you look forward the next four years. Yes, there will be damage done, yes some people will definitely be on the short end of the stick, but there will be good things to come out of it. It's honestly the best time the democrats, and people all around, could've dreamed to unite the country. We just have to stop marginalizing and be inclusive of everyone.

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Feckless is not the first word I would use to describe Trump

You mean Obama.

[FeedsOnDevTears]

Is there anything not true about that?

All of it? In most any way it can be interpreted. What he means, as far as the twit-brain means anything, is that North Korea has gone too far, the US has gotten its ass kicked diplomatically, and the Chinese are making the problem worse. And none of that is true. Yeah, North Korea has a temper-tantrum throwing, whiny, crazy bitch of a government. That's probably why the Orange Overlord doesn't like them: he hates the competition. But they haven't been particularly more tantrum throwing than normal. There's been a lot of diplomacy. The US mostly keeps its end and reneges on a few points, so do the North Koreans. China has done more to stabilize the sitaution, and to pressue the North Koreans than Trump has done.

Really, Trumpy is just a crybaby who wants a distraction from how bad he is at being president. And he'll kill people to get it if he needs to and can figure out how. I just hope he starts and end with his followers, they're the only ones who deserve it, and him.

[Triceratrozer]

So thats really a thing now, the US is doing diplomacy through twitter.

I want to leave this bizarro world.

Ohhh my god. I feel this crazy-hard.

[announced]

I hate Trump in every way imaginable, but if he takes action against North Korea, SERIOUS action, he would have my newfound respect.

Fucking America chooses to bomb religous fanatical sand people while ignoring the nation that yells as loud as possible, "WHEN WE CAN NUKE YOU, WE WILL. ALSO HERE IS A VIDEO OF THE WHITEHOUSE BLOWING UP!"

Deal with North Korea NOW. Civilians will die, but a future must be secured for that nation, for the good of the world.

agree, US should just nuke North Korea, or at least fire bomb Kim's palace so he is no longer a problem.

[schwarzkopf]

What does that even mean?

It means literally nothing, this is Trump we are talking about - Trump eschews meaning in favour of demagoguery.

[Wells]

agree, US should just nuke North Korea, or at least fire bomb Kim's palace so he is no longer a problem.

Congrats on your new position with the Trump Administration.

[Elegiac]

agree, US should just nuke North Korea, or at least fire bomb Kim's palace so he is no longer a problem.

Cool, I assume you'll be taking personal responsibility for the millions of people killed in the subsequent retaliation against Seoul?

[Wells]

Cool, I assume you'll be taking personal responsibility for the millions of people killed in the subsequent retaliation against Seoul?

And likely starting conflict with China.

[announced]

Cool, I assume you'll be taking personal responsibility for the millions of people killed in the subsequent retaliation against Seoul?

Canada can import all the South Koreans if needed, and doesn't the US back up South Korea anyway?

And likely starting conflict with China.

Well according to the Left Trump is already screwed with China, how much worse could it get?

Look North Korea is going to become a problem sooner or later, why dont we just skip ahead about 10 years to where they can fire nukes accurately and across great distances, and instead deal with the problem right now?

[Wells]

Well according to the Left Trump is already screwed with China, how much worse could it get?

[Moratori]

Canada can import all the South Koreans if needed, and doesn't the US back up South Korea anyway?

We can't stop them from razing Seoul if they should fire their artillery, millions will die and millions will have to flee.

[Wells]

We can't stop them from razing Seoul if they should fire their artillery, millions will die and millions will have to flee.

Can't find the chart right now, but I think roughly 50% of North Korea's artillery is estimated to be able to hit Seoul. Obviously its enough to be going on, but if we get a solid jump would could probably save much of the city.

Not to be construed as me endorsing such action.

[Moratori]

Can't find the chart right now, but I think roughly 50% of North Korea's artillery is estimated to be able to hit Seoul. Obviously its enough to be going on, but if we get a solid jump would could probably save much of the city.

Not to be construed as me endorsing such action.

It would take them about 30-60 minutes to raze Seoul with everything they've got aimed at Seoul and kill millions...

[Wells]

It would take them about 30-60 minutes to raze Seoul with everything they've got aimed at Seoul and kill millions...

There's a couple relevant points here, first being that razing Seoul largely forgoes razing US forces elsewhere and secondly, that again, we're talking about a situation with massive preemptive US force with little warning.

And I'm not sure its physically possible to raze a modern city with non-nuclear artillery in that period of time.

[Moratori]

There's a couple relevant points here, first being that razing Seoul largely forgoes razing US forces elsewhere and secondly, that again, we're talking about a situation with massive preemptive US force with little warning.

I just don't see it happening. Surely they have means to detect them coming and can start firing as soon as they see it?

And I'm not sure its physically possible to raze a modern city with non-nuclear artillery in that period of time.

Well, make the city largely uninhabitable then if you prefer.

[Macaquerie]

Can't find the chart right now, but I think roughly 50% of North Korea's artillery is estimated to be able to hit Seoul. Obviously its enough to be going on, but if we get a solid jump would could probably save much of the city.

Not to be construed as me endorsing such action.

The war has been over for almost 65 years now, the South Koreans had plenty of chances to just move their capital somewhere safer in that time. Sure, Seoul is a major modern metropolis and it's not really easy for millions of people to just pack up and leave, but you know, when you're faced with the threat of imminent destruction at the hands of an insane dictator, it just might be worth it. In fact, you figure that by the end of the war Seoul was probably a bombed out wreck anyway, meaning that for the same amount of money they spent rebuilding it into what it is now, they could have just built an entirely new capital further south. Hell, given that the city was captured FOUR fucking times over the course of the war, you would think they'd realize it wasn't exactly a safe place to be.

[Wells]

The war has been over for almost 65 years now, the South Koreans had plenty of chances to just move their capital somewhere safer in that time. Sure, Seoul is a major modern metropolis and it's not really easy for millions of people to just pack up and leave, but you know, when you're faced with the threat of imminent destruction at the hands of an insane dictator, it just might be worth it. In fact, you figure that by the end of the war Seoul was probably a bombed out wreck anyway, meaning that for the same amount of money they spent rebuilding it into what it is now, they could have just built an entirely capital further south. Hell, given that the city was captured FOUR fucking times over the course of the war, you would think they'd realize it wasn't exactly a safe place to be.

Your argument is that South Korea should have just moved to the bottom quarter of their already tiny nation?

[Moratori]

The war has been over for almost 65 years now, the South Koreans had plenty of chances to just move their capital somewhere safer in that time. Sure, Seoul is a major modern metropolis and it's not really easy for millions of people to just pack up and leave, but you know, when you're faced with the threat of imminent destruction at the hands of an insane dictator, it just might be worth it. In fact, you figure that by the end of the war Seoul was probably a bombed out wreck anyway, meaning that for the same amount of money they spent rebuilding it into what it is now, they could have just built an entirely capital further south. Hell, given that the city was captured FOUR fucking times over the course of the war, you would think they'd realize it wasn't exactly a safe place to be.

In 2003, former President Roh Moo-hyun of the Democratic Party (now Minjoo Party of Korea) sought to relocate the national capital of South Korea from the metropolitan city of Seoul to a new multifunctional administrative city in the centre of the country. The goal was to reduce the influence and dominance of Seoul on national governance and economics, whilst promoting the regional development of other areas of the country.[5] According to former Home Administration Minister Maeng Hyung-gyu in 2012, “Sejong is a symbol of the country’s efforts toward more balanced regional development", helping to decongest Seoul and spur investment in the country’s central region.

In October 2004, the Constitutional Court dealt a setback to President Roh's plans, ruling that the capital must remain in Seoul in response to a complaint filed by the main opposition Grand National Party (now Saenuri Party). As such, the Roh administration was forced to modify the project to relocate the majority of ministries and government institutes to Sejong, which would become a special administrative city instead of a new capital. The revised plan was approved by the parliament in March 2005. Challenges to the new plan were rejected by the Constitutional Court in November 2005.[6]

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Your argument is that South Korea should have just moved to the bottom quarter of their already tiny nation?

Haha, yeah... It takes just a few hours to go from one end of the country to the other, even by car. Takes like 5 hours from Seoul to Pusan.

[Macaquerie]

Your argument is that South Korea should have just moved to the bottom quarter of their already tiny nation?

If there were thousands of howitzers pointed at my house and commanded by a porcine despot, I would move somewhere else. South Korea may be crowded, but that's only because almost half the population lives in and around Seoul. There's more than enough space outside the capital to accommodate everyone if it came to that. I do understand that keeping the capital there serves as an act of defiance and moving it would be seen as kind of a craven, cowardly move, but then again, if they really aren't afraid they would be willing to make the necessary sacrifices to defeat the dictator and reunite their country.