Horde and Alliance, Well that was pointless

[Trassk]

Does anyone get the overall feeling that this expansion was built upon the notice that factions like the horde and alliance suck and can't really do what matters, and only when factions willing to work together come together do things get done, making them pointless.

I mean, really, when you get down to it, this has always been the principle of what saved the world in warcraft, the whole huggy squeezy factions coming together stuff. In the burning crusade, it was draenei and blood elves coming together for an attack on the sunwell. In wrath it was the argent crusade bringing factions together under its roof. In cata, it was a certain faction leader ditching his role and going solo with some neutral dragons. In pandaland, it was the two factions for once focusing on a single goal and yet even after that tension just went right back to the same old crap. In wod, it was captain khadgar and khadgarters fighting to save the planet of draenor.
And this expansion, this one didn't just push how pointless the two factions where, it showed how failing they were as a force, and only with the combined power of looove from the class order halls did the forces of azeroth get together, raise Illidan, get some uber weapons they all shared, and at this point, the horde and alliance factions just seem so pointless to wows story.

Blizzard will never be able to make neutral factions for the players, the two faction system is to ingrained into it. But do you get the impression the writers are just giving the middle finger to the old red and blue sides now?

[Makorus]

That's literally the point of this expansion.

That's what the old previous Shore and now the new one try to symbolize.

[Trassk]

That's literally the point of this expansion.

That's what the old previous Shore and now the new one try to symbolize.

Not just that even, the most focus on faction we got in this expansion was sylvanas and genn trying to kill each other, and in the end it just felt like a distraction to the main plot, and nothing would be lost if you managed to ignore it.

[Redroniksre]

Not just that even, the most focus on faction we got in this expansion was sylvanas and genn trying to kill each other, and in the end it just felt like a distraction to the main plot, and nothing would be lost if you managed to ignore it.

I was incredibly sad that they didn't develop the faction turmoil any more. Genn and Sylv have one little fight and that is it. Nothing more.

[Combatbutler]

The factions more or less only exist so that they can justify pvp, but ultimately azeroth constantly faces threats neither of them can solve alone and so their people are forced to work together. The times either of them mattered are pretty much gone.

[Friendlyimmolation]

I wander what will split them apart at the end of legion.

[Deleted]

Does anyone get the overall feeling that this expansion was built upon the notice that factions like the horde and alliance suck

Why even play a game like warcraft with this idea.
I love the Horde and hate Alliance because of there history, this exp. pack actually made me almost quit because of there hole army of light BS.

[FelPlague]

The factions more or less only exist so that they can justify pvp, but ultimately azeroth constantly faces threats neither of them can solve alone and so their people are forced to work together. The times either of them mattered are pretty much gone.

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the only reason they dont combine the factions is pvp becomes non cannon in all extent, and it makes some story telling better and others worse. also there is alot of players who are still hardcore FOR THE HORDE, FUCK ALLIANCE SCUM so they would rage the fuck out, or quit if blizz did that

[Friendlyimmolation]

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the only reason they dont combine the factions is pvp becomes non cannon in all extent, and it makes some story telling better and others worse. also there is alot of players who are still hardcore FOR THE HORDE, FUCK ALLIANCE SCUM so they would rage the fuck out, or quit if blizz did that

its both ways, I don't hardcore hate the Alliance, if anything I dislike both factions equally for different reasons. But I sure as hell don't want to be running around with alliance races on my Horde and vice versa.

[Combatbutler]

its both ways, I don't hardcore hate the Alliance, if anything I dislike both factions equally for different reasons. But I sure as hell don't want to be running around with alliance races on my Horde and vice versa.

Ever since they introduced transformation toys it really doesn't matter that much anymore.

[Deleted]

Ever since they introduced transformation toys it really doesn't matter that much anymore.

Ofc it does, its about the story they want to tell what is basically the hole core of a RPG game.

[Lodreh]

Ofc it does, its about the story they want to tell what is basically the hole core of a RPG game.

The problem as some people see it is the story has been told before... ad nauseum. We would like the story to evolve and move in a new direction. Maybe one that saw the old hatreds die and a united front taking on larger threats. At this point Alliance vs. Horde has become an inherited war. Maybe it's time for allegiances to shift or crumble away with each race looking to itself first. The individual adventurer is free to offer their services to anyone in need.

Just a thought.

[Combatbutler]

Ofc it does, its about the story they want to tell what is basically the hole core of a RPG game.

Well the story constantly tells us, both factions are utterly screwed without each other and then they have their little skirmishes and return to status quo in a year, while their most skilled troops constantly cooperate to take down the big threats. Really there wasn't any decent faction conflict in the entire history of world of warcraft.

[Kynario]

The factions more or less only exist so that they can justify pvp, but ultimately azeroth constantly faces threats neither of them can solve alone and so their people are forced to work together. The times either of them mattered are pretty much gone.

So much this. Well said!

[Deleted]

Well the story constantly tells us, both factions are utterly screwed without each other and then they have their little skirmishes and return to status quo in a year, while their most skilled troops constantly cooperate to take down the big threats. Really there wasn't any decent faction conflict in the entire history of world of warcraft.

Thought the story on Pandaria was fine with the faction war.
If they would not had turned Garrosh against the other Horde races in the past we would actually had a great start for a full on war to the point where the Legion would had arrived.

[Kordan]

The only thing I has to say is that Gen vs Silvanas was pointless stupidity.

[Combatbutler]

Thought the story on Pandaria was fine with the faction war.
If they would not had turned Garrosh against the other Horde races in the past we would actually had a great start for a full on war to the point where the Legion would had arrived.

And then the legion would have won, that is the entire point of it all, they have hammered it down again and again. Garrosh had slipped and tore his horde apart, since he only focused on a small faction of it while dismissing most of the others as inferior and their concerns as trivial, embracing the power of the void in the end, becoming a threat to the entire world.

Faction conflict can only be good if there are real consequences and in an mmo with two factions that is night impossible, you can raze settlements like theramore or Taurajo without much problems, but that is pretty much it, as a consequence the world is static, just compare it to Wc3, which screwed up two thirds of the planet and left the world utterly scarred to this day.

[OIS]

Well the story constantly tells us, both factions are utterly screwed without each other and then they have their little skirmishes and return to status quo in a year, while their most skilled troops constantly cooperate to take down the big threats. Really there wasn't any decent faction conflict in the entire history of world of warcraft.

Blizzard shouldn't have made Dalaran neutral. Horde creating its own magical society(Silvermoon at its current state doesn't count IMO) would instigate faction conflict, kind of like an arms race.

[Combatbutler]

Blizzard shouldn't have made Dalaran neutral. Horde creating its own magical society(Silvermoon at its current state doesn't count IMO) would instigate faction conflict, kind of like an arms race.

There are many possibilities for an epic faction conflict, but blizzard has no intention to tell these in an mmo setting it seems and as a consequence the factions feel useless.

[Arrashi]

There are many possibilities for an epic faction conflict, but blizzard has no intention to tell these in an mmo setting it seems and as a consequence the factions feel useless.

My favourite is "random horde leader goes insane and we need to siege horde capital".