Russia spread fake news during Dutch election, secret service AIVD reports

[GreenJesus]

Russia probably had little effect compared to fake news from local media. So there was some fake/exaggerated news on some fringe sites somewhere? Voting booths weren't affected and no hypnosis guns.. RUSSIA'S FAULT!

[Deleted]

LOL, okay. So what is?

Your personal prejudices, bias and self-serving nonsense?

Nothing, news outlets are corrupted on both sides. If your parents or educational system managed to teach you how to apply critical thinking you can sort stuff out on your own.
Otherwise you're fucked.

[Shalcker]

There were the initial studies done by the security groups that investigated the DNC hack. It was right there to read. You ignored it, I'm sure.

Group (there were no "groups) that had to retract many of their claims later (like the fact that Russia supposedly hacked Ukrainian artillery adjustment app), their findings were not allowed to be independently verified by FBI, and their attribution of Fancy/Cozy Bear to Russian intelligence is disputed by other cybersecurity groups.

[Deleted]

Russia probably had little effect compared to fake news from local media. So there was some fake/exaggerated news on some fringe sites somewhere? Voting booths weren't affected and no hypnosis guns.. RUSSIA'S FAULT!

The old political system would rather engage in state paranoia with all the potentially dramatic consequences involved, instead of looking at the issues and trying to fix them.

[Machismo]

Group (there were no "groups) that had to retract many of their claims later (like the fact that Russia supposedly hacked Ukrainian artillery adjustment app), their findings were not allowed to be independently verified by FBI, and their attribution of Fancy/Cozy Bear to Russian intelligence is disputed by other cybersecurity groups.

Actually, they immediately gave the code to another group to be independently verified, which it was.

[Shalcker]

Actually, they immediately gave the code to another group to be independently verified, which it was.

Code of what exactly?

The only publicly available part in report was Ukrainian in origin. Fun fact - Ukraine resides in same times zones as Russian European part and operates same business hours (and shares many holidays too).

[Cybran]

We do not share values. They have little of value to offer to us other than gas and oil.

What does the EU/Germany offer your country other than old fat stingy tourists and austerity? Are the loans worth being turned into a African/Arab housing depot? Because that is Greece's fate in the EU.

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[Mormolyce]

Nothing, news outlets are corrupted on both sides. If your parents or educational system managed to teach you how to apply critical thinking you can sort stuff out on your own.
Otherwise you're fucked.

So... yeah. Straight out of your asshole it is.

[Deleted]

So... yeah. Straight out of your asshole it is.

I'm sorry you had such poor education.

[Mormolyce]

Probably critical thinking is not your thing then

Critical thinking is something you apply to evidence.

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I'm sorry you had such poor education.

So what are you applying your "critical thinking" to? What's your source of evidence? Or you just make things up because it "feels" right?

[Deleted]

Critical thinking is something you apply to evidence.

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So what are you applying your "critical thinking" to? What's your source of evidence? Or you just make things up because it "feels" right?

News of course.

[Aggrophobic]

Believing these conspiracy theories, one would think that these Russian Trolls outnumbers every other country in the world.

I mean, they're everywhere, making a massive amount of fake news for every country in every election, yet somehow eluded the world for decades and explains every government shortcoming!

There's no way this would be anyone else but Russia! No way I tell you!

All hail the mighty Putin! He can do no evil!

[Nero Stormchester]

Believing these conspiracy theories, one would think that these Russian Trolls outnumbers every other country in the world.

I mean, they're everywhere, making a massive amount of fake news for every country in every election, yet somehow eluded the world for decades and explains every government shortcoming!

There's no way this would be anyone else but Russia! No way I tell you!

Ahahaha, you - I like you

[JohnBrown1917]

Russia probably had little effect compared to fake news from local media. So there was some fake/exaggerated news on some fringe sites somewhere? Voting booths weren't affected and no hypnosis guns.. RUSSIA'S FAULT!

Such as?

10ch

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Your point? I see you commenting on the politics of many different countries. Pot meet Kettle.

Becease you're blaming one, nameless, party in our country that you know nothing about.
You really don't see that as ridiculous?

[Deleted]

Multiple countries are now reporting election tampering with evidence.

Sometimes we are proven wrong, it's OK. Digging our heels in further in the face of overwhelming evidence from multiple sources is not the answer, however.

We have seen zero fucking evidence for ANY of these. People are crying Russia effected Brexit, But nobody thought that DURING Brexit or the build up to it.

[JohnBrown1917]

Anyone trusts AIVD still after they got caught wiretapping journalists and pushing for legislation to make that legal? Dutch government is salty about the referendum. They let a few emigres dictate the vote for it and are now pointing fingers because they couldn't get enough people to vote the way they wanted. This attitude is par for the course for liberals. You lose seats or things don't go your way you blame russia. Actually energizing your voters is too hard.

Labour are not liberals, what the fuck lol.
Plus, the biggesr winners are not pro-russia(D66, CDA, Animal party, Greens), why do you think they are blaming Russia for voting for parties that are not pro russia?
All of you Putin lovers here know jack shit about dutch politics.

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We have seen zero fucking evidence for ANY of these. People are crying Russia effected Brexit, But nobody thought that DURING Brexit or the build up to it.

We do know they released fake news.

[Deleted]

We do know they released fake news.

Fake news like?

[JohnBrown1917]

Fake news like?

Just look up what the Russian state media has reported on that turned out to be fake.

[Deleted]

Just look up what the Russian state media has reported on that turned out to be fake.

Oh? So Russian state media posted stories that are "Fake" so that means they are tampering with global politics? I can show you the same thing with the BBC.