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    Cool Russia to boost Syria's air defences

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39529264

    http://theduran.com/russian-defence-...-air-defences/

    http://www.pressherald.com/2017/04/0...er-u-s-strike/

    MOSCOW — Russia reacted to U.S. military strikes on its ally Syria Friday by cutting a hotline intended to prevent midair incidents, a response that demonstrates Moscow’s readiness to defy Washington and could even put the two nuclear superpowers on a course toward military confrontation.

    President Vladimir Putin signaled he was ready to risk a clash with the U.S. and abandon hopes for mending ties with the U.S. under President Donald Trump, rather than accept the humiliation of standing by while his ally is bombed.

    Russia’s decision to suspend the hotline established after the launch of the Russian air campaign in Syria in September 2015 effectively means that Russian and U.S. planes could fly dangerously close to each other during combat missions, raising the risk of inadvertent or deliberate clashes in the crowded skies over Syria.

    By freezing the information channel between the two potent militaries, Russia is signaling to Washington that it will tolerate no further strikes on Syrian government facilities.

    Syria has aging Soviet-built aircraft and air defense missile systems, while Russia has deployed dozens of its cutting edge warplanes and air defense batteries at its base in Syria’s coastal province of Latakia. It also has a strategically important naval outpost in the Syrian port of Tartus, which is protected by air defense assets.

    Further upping the ante, the Russian Defense Ministry said it will now help strengthen Syrian air defenses.

    U.S. officials accused Russia of failing to ensure Syrian President Bashar Assad’s commitment to a 2013 deal for the destruction of Assad’s chemical weapons arsenal. The U.S. says that arsenal was tapped for a chemical attack that killed dozens of civilians in the Syrian town of Khan Sheikhoun in Idlib province.

    Trump cited the chemical attack as justification for the missile strike on a Syrian air base. But the Kremlin insists Assad’s government wasn’t responsible for the attack, saying civilians in Khan Sheikhoun were exposed to toxic agents from a rebel arsenal that was hit by Syrian warplanes.

    “President Putin believes that the U.S. strikes on Syria represent an aggression against a sovereign state in violation of international law under a far-fetched pretext,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in a statement. “Washington’s move deals a significant blow to Russia-U.S. relations, which are already in deplorable shape.”

    Until the attack on the Syrian air base, the U.S. had avoided striking Assad’s forces for fear of provoking a clash with the Russian military.
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    The action comes ahead of U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s trip to Moscow next week.

    The Kremlin initially had been encouraged by Trump’s goal of repairing ties with Moscow, which plunged to post-Cold War lows under President Barack Obama, but hopes for a thaw have withered amid the congressional investigation of possible links between Trump campaign officials and Russia. The U.S. missile strike could make it all but impossible to improve relations.

    “Some people here thought that it would be easy to deal with Trump,” Yelena Suponina, a Moscow-based Mideast expert, said in televised remarks. “No, it will be very difficult. He’s not only ready to make tough decisions, he is unpredictable.”

    Mikhail Yemelyanov, a senior member of the lower house of parliament, warned that the U.S. action raised the threat of a direct clash between Russia and the U.S.

    “Consequences could be grave, up to military confrontation and exchange of blows, nothing can be excluded,” he said, according to the Interfax news agency.

    Tillerson said Russia had “failed in its responsibility” to deliver on a 2013 deal it helped broker to destroy Syria’s chemical arsenal.

    “So either Russia has been complicit, or Russia has been simply incompetent on its ability to deliver,” he said.

    By ordering the strike, Trump threatened the military assets of Assad, who has enjoyed Russia’s support throughout the six-year conflict. Russia’s military has helped turn the war in Assad’s favor and Moscow has used its U.N. Security Council veto to protect Damascus from censure.

    Russia also has important military facilities in Syria that could be put at risk if Assad is removed from power, a goal of Western powers that had recently been put on the back burner because of the focus on fighting Islamic State extremists in Syria and Iraq.

    Peskov said the U.S. gave Russia advance notice about the strike. He added that Moscow believes it makes no sense to maintain the hotline.

    Asked if the decision to freeze the information exchange could raise the risk of midair incidents, Peskov said it was the U.S. attack that increased such danger.

    Peskov wouldn’t say if Russia could use its military assets to protect Syrian facilities from future U.S. strikes.

    Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said Russia will quickly “strengthen the Syrian air defense system and increase its efficiency in order to protect Syria’s most sensitive infrastructure facilities.”

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    Russia is no Soviet Union. Actually Russia is really weak. I can only see their actions as acts of desperation. They try to negotiate their place in the new deal by waiving a saber.

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    I imagine Russia has a more or less finite number of weapons systems, every system in syria is one not in Russia
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    russia is weak, the country a joke, if it came to it then america would wipe them out easily, far superior technology and military, this isnt 1945.

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    Hard to believe that they would be THAT stupid, Assad used chemical weapons... what was he expecting to happen?

    I was expecting Russia to remove their support after that.

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    Tell me again how Hillary Clinton was the "war hawk candidate..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knolan View Post
    I was expecting Russia to remove their support after that.
    Sorry, but Assad bought the special tyrant arms package from the russian military weapon manufacturers. This includes 2 years of support from Vladimir Putin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Tell me again how Hillary Clinton was the "war hawk candidate..."
    You understand that there are new factors in place now (namely chemical weapons) that were not in play by the time of the election, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by rym View Post
    Sorry, but Assad bought the special tyrant arms package from the russian military weapon manufacturers. This includes 2 years of support from Vladimir Putin.
    I actually lol'ed on that one, now people at work are looking at me funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knolan View Post
    Hard to believe that they would be THAT stupid, Assad used chemical weapons... what was he expecting to happen?

    I was expecting Russia to remove their support after that.
    There is still no proof about the attack, that it was the goverment and which gas they used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renewal View Post
    There is still no proof about the attack, that it was the goverment and which gas they used.
    Unfortunately there is. The gas they used is Sarin, a gas created in my home country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rym View Post
    Unfortunately there is. The gas they used is Sarin, a gas created in my home country.
    Read something about sarin. The "reports" mentioned mist, and how they got better... with sarin, there would be no mist (no colour, no odour) and next to none witnesses nor survivors.
    It might have been a gas attack, but for sure, not sarin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knolan View Post
    You understand that there are new factors in place now (namely chemical weapons) that were not in play by the time of the election, right?
    So one chemical attack in another country that we hardly know the context of is an appropriate catalyst to go in and indiscriminately blow shit up?

    I thought we needed to avoid war with Russia at all costs, and that Hillary was going to put up a no-fly zone and that'd just be too much.

    Since when did "no-fly zone" become a more egregious military action than "BOMB 'EM," hmmm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Since when did "no-fly zone" become a more egregious military action than "BOMB 'EM," hmmm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renewal View Post
    It might have been a gas attack, but for sure, not sarin.
    It was sarin. Just read more carefully about what you talk about.

    Also, Assad used Sarin before already. In Ghouta, where he killed 1300 men and woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    So one chemical attack in another country that we hardly know the context of is an appropriate catalyst to go in and indiscriminately blow shit up?

    I thought we needed to avoid war with Russia at all costs, and that Hillary was going to put up a no-fly zone and that'd just be too much.

    Since when did "no-fly zone" become a more egregious military action than "BOMB 'EM," hmmm?
    You mean chemical attack you hardly know about? DoD knows plenty about it.
    and then he cupped my balls...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coconuter View Post
    You mean chemical attack you hardly know about? DoD knows plenty about it.
    Because American agencies have never blatantly lied about things in order to further their agendas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashnazg View Post
    Because American agencies have never blatantly lied about things in order to further their agendas.
    There is a difference between the DIA and the CIA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coconuter View Post
    You mean chemical attack you hardly know about? DoD knows plenty about it.
    Even if we assume that's true, I guess I missed where "they used chemical weapons" was an adequate "ALL BETS ARE OFF!" moment. Trump just went FAR beyond what Hillary's "war hawk" accusers ever said she'd do, and that was pretty much their only negative policy point they could come up with about her. (Though i don't think they were ever too clear about her policies.)

    I mean Trump supporters can't even say "at least Trump didn't threaten war with Russia!" anymore. What do they even still have? They can't claim he's not a corporate sell out, they can't claim he's not a globalist, they can't claim he's pro states-rights, and they can't claim he isn't a war hawk.

    And moreover I thought the US had to stick to worrying about itself, other countries be damned. how is this appropriately MAGAing again?



    Man people sure were sold a crock of snake oil. I see we still have some claiming it was a miracle elixir, though that number appears to be shrinking.
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    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knolan View Post
    You understand that there are new factors in place now (namely chemical weapons) that were not in play by the time of the election, right?



    I actually lol'ed on that one, now people at work are looking at me funny.
    excuses excuses excuses and we knew already BEFORE the election what Assad was doing, and everything he is doing he is doing with approval from Putin

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