Japanese warships to join US fleet near North Korea as tensions rise

[Allerius]

Good life?

Meaning your ridiculous and prohibitive healthcare system?

They might as well migrate to Australia, who have a better standard of living. But it's pretty much their preferred destination anyway.

Yes, government programs are the sole determinant of quality of life. How are you posting from the USSR in 2017 MMOC though?

[Fargus]

Yes, government programs are the sole determinant of quality of life. How are you posting from the USSR in 2017 MMOC though?

Don't talk about quality of life when a dual UK/US citizen is forced to buy a plane ticket back to the UK because it would be cheaper to have surgery there.

Why are you implying that a better healthcare system is communist?

[Blobfish]

Here is the link to a Twitter feed from Pyongyang

https://twitter.com/search?q=pyongya...Ctwgr%5Esearch

Sirens went off .. 200 reporters evacuated and told to leave mobile phones behind.

620K Pyongyang citizens evacuated

[Linkedblade]

This and the tension of sino-korean politics because of the new us backed missile defense system. Sounds like peaceful times ahead.

[Kellhound]

China had the most troops involved in the pacific front. Granted they were losing.

There was also the Aussies and Kiwis involved there.

And of course the Russians.




Then why are we sending a bunch of warships over?

The Russians hardly did anything in the Pacific Theater.

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Even with that, there's no way they'd intercept all those artillery shells. Estimates are NK could launch between 160k to 400k shells per hours on the northern part of SK.



I can't even imagine what the aftermath of a war in NK would look like. 25 million people who barely know anything about the outside world (and with some who will think "it was better before" as always with any dictatorship falling), living in a place probably worst than many 3rd world countries in terms of infrastructure.

Those numbers would drop rapidly as counter battery fire started to take the NK guns out.

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Overall, big nope, in 2015:
US -> China exports: $162 billion
China -> US exports: $498 billion

Moving these somewhere else might be possible, but that would take years and cost a lot.

China needs the exports to keep its already fragile economy up.

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Island nation. It'd be more surprising if they had no naval power.

They actually have the 4th largest navy in the world by displacement, larger than such traditional maritime powers as the UK and France.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Falling victim to one of the classic blunders

[Allerius]

Don't talk about quality of life when a dual UK/US citizen is forced to buy a plane ticket back to the UK because it would be cheaper to have surgery there.

Why are you implying that a better healthcare system is communist?

Right, I forgot about how this random person has to take a flight for their daily surgery. Their life must be unbearable.

Socialism is the path to communism. USSR wasn't actually communist btw, just extremely socialist. It was true there that the quality of government programs heavily dictated quality of life. It didn't work out very well, but hey when have socialists ever cared about that?

[Macaquerie]

more asians in the US is always a good thing. the poor little things need a taste of the good life we have to offer.

I would honestly love to see the look on your face when you find out that fanatical North Korean communists aren't exactly the cute little waifus you were probably expecting.

[Deleted]

What has northorea done? Can you please wait till they launch their biggest bomb to attack something before you attack them?............

[Fargus]

Right, I forgot about how this random person has to take a flight for their daily surgery. Their life must be unbearable.

Socialism is the path to communism. USSR wasn't actually communist btw, just extremely socialist. It was true there that the quality of government programs heavily dictated quality of life. It didn't work out very well, but hey when have socialists ever cared about that?

Tell that to the people who are sick and have crippling medical bills because of it.

Look at Australia and Canada's healthcare models. They're not going to turn into communist countries any time soon.

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I really hope that if NK is attacked, they can wipe the countries attacking them off the map.
Fucking lunatics provoking this war need to be shot.

[Allerius]

Tell that to the people who are sick and have crippling medical bills because of it.

Look at Australia and Canada's healthcare models. They're not going to turn into communist countries any time soon.

Sure, being sick sucks. However, suffering and death is part of the human condition. Hate to break it to you, but you too will die no matter how socialized your healthcare system is. Healthcare is one factor that goes into living a long and healthy life, and plenty of people in the US manage to pay for it themselves.

Social healthcare has plenty of issues as well. The wait times can be insane and it is very expensive. These countries have high taxes and their costs are also buoyed by spending practically nothing on the military as they can count on someone else to defend them. The US doesn't have that luxury. Furthermore, although this might surprise you, I'd take the higher incomes, lower taxes, lower cost of living, and greater freedoms found in the US to the social benefits of these countries.

[Unhinged]

Right, I forgot about how this random person has to take a flight for their daily surgery. Their life must be unbearable.

Socialism is the path to communism. USSR wasn't actually communist btw, just extremely socialist. It was true there that the quality of government programs heavily dictated quality of life. It didn't work out very well, but hey when have socialists ever cared about that?

This is such a dumb mentality. Look at all the other countries that have far better quality of lives for all their citizens than the US. All if then have social security plans and socialist helathcare.

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Sure, being sick sucks. However, suffering and death is part of the human condition. Hate to break it to you, but you too will die no matter how socialized your healthcare system is. Healthcare is one factor that goes into living a long and healthy life, and plenty of people in the US manage to pay for it themselves.

Social healthcare has plenty of issues as well. The wait times can be insane and it is very expensive. These countries have high taxes and their costs are also buoyed by spending practically nothing on the military as they can count on someone else to defend them. The US doesn't have that luxury. Furthermore, although this might surprise you, I'd take the higher incomes, lower taxes, lower cost of living, and greater freedoms found in the US to the social benefits of these countries.

Australia's tax rate is lower than the US but don't let that get in the way of your bad story.

[Fargus]

Sure, being sick sucks. However, suffering and death is part of the human condition. Hate to break it to you, but you too will die no matter how socialized your healthcare system is.

That's not the point.

Your healthcare system prioritises profit over the well-being of your own citizens. Death from an illness or disorder that can be treated should not arise just because the patient can't afford the proper health insurance. The US is not a 3rd world country (well, maybe except its health system).

[Aori]

Is that illegal of Japan, thought the were defensive only.

It is written into their own constitution that their military is for defensive purposes. However it has since been interpreted that defense includes invasion if it is to stop an attack on their own country or an allies. Since NK has been lobbing nuclear tests near Japanese waters, they've deemed any action against NK as defensive.

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I'll bet some people are reading this and surprised that Japan has warships.

Most people don't even know Japan has a military. Hell same goes for Taiwan. Small islands with powerful militarys.

[Allerius]

This is such a dumb mentality. Look at all the other countries that have far better quality of lives for all their citizens than the US. All if then have social security plans and socialist helathcare.

Assuming your premise is true, that argument relies on utilitarianism which is shit tier philosophy.

Australia's tax rate is lower than the US but don't let that get in the way of your bad story.

Maybe if you live in California, but that defeats the whole purpose of living in the US anyway.

Socialism is not a path to communism, that's a very uneducated opinion you have. A communist society requires an authoritarian government which we do not have and that no one who supports socialism, would support.

Socialism is authoritarianism, or do you think taxes are given voluntarily?

That's not the point.

Your healthcare system prioritises profit over the well-being of your own citizens. Death from an illness or disorder that can be treated should not arise just because the patient can't afford the proper health insurance. The US is not a 3rd world country (well, maybe except its health system).

Positive rights are bullshit. If you want to pay for others' healthcare feel free to do so, but a free society would let individuals make the choice for themselves.

[Independent voter]

It wouldn't be much of an exercise if the Japanese and South Koreans didn't join us. They are our allies in the region.

[DJ117]

It's amazing how status quo has been possible for so long. North Korea can keep on going as long as they have an enemy to set their people upon; America. And America can't finish the job because of China. Will it ever end? Not until an internal coup happens. External powers will not be able to stop North Korea as it is now.

[Flarelaine]

I mean the US fought a 3 way war in WW2 if you count D-Day and the Italian campaign separately, and at least in the Pacific we were basically on our own.

Yeah, Uncle Sam did mighty good DPS on all bosses. Let's not forget Russia and China tanking them, though.

[Wyrt]

Right, I forgot about how this random person has to take a flight for their daily surgery. Their life must be unbearable.

Socialism is the path to communism. USSR wasn't actually communist btw, just extremely socialist. It was true there that the quality of government programs heavily dictated quality of life. It didn't work out very well, but hey when have socialists ever cared about that?

Europe, Canada, and Australia seem to be doing fine with their "socialism."

By the way, pure capitalism is just as awful as pure socialism or communism.