Flying has really made WoW 10x more fun for me!

[stomination]

Actually that's not how the argument works. Pro flight people use WotLK as an example to prove that flying doesn't absolutely wreck, destroy, or trivialize content the way Blizzard and flight haters claim it does.

There's a significant difference between the two, which I hope you can see.

Yea the only thing was zones were made to be done with flying unlike the next 3 expansions.

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Cool, how did you raid Naxx, then?

Pretty sure what he means end is after leveling.

But to sound edgy.......

I made my bitches summon me.

[Ragedaug]

Yea the only thing was zones were made to be done with flying unlike the next 3 expansions.

They didn't have to be made to be done with flying. I'm perfectly fine completing the zone while grounded. Once complete, I should be able to fly in that zone. Seems simple enough of a concept to me.

[Banard]

Beauty of the zones? With flying every zone might as well be a flat surface like Tanaris.

You get to see everything and even explore a bit more with flying. It changes your outlook and perspective.

Before flying...this was my behaviour:

(1) fly to FP...mount run to WQ...(FD if trash came with me)..do WQ...use whistle...go from FP to FP (meanwhile afk) ..come back do WQ...use whistle..wait on CD...HEARTH...FP to FP do WQ...WHISTLE....fp to fp ...wq, dalaran stone...fp to fp, wq, whistle, fp to fp...wq

^I saw lots of the world doing this.

The only reason legion has even been tolerable was because of that whistle.

The game is 100% better now...

[Pony Soldier]

I just wish Blizzard would figure out what they want to do with flying mounts. Is this going to be the new way of unlocking flying? Or are we going to go back to the simple "get to max level and buy license" way? It's like they don't know what to do or how to handle it. It's handled differently almost every expansion. Just like classes and their constant annoying changes they do to them forcing you to relearn the same class you've been playing for years after being so comfortable with your rotation and spells. Like with the flying mounts it's like they don't know what they want out of them. Like an 8 year old who can't make up it's mind in a toy store.

Honestly I don't care if we are able to fly or not. I felt that the flight paths were enough and about just as fast as a flying mount and if worked on a little more they could be even better. So if they decide to outright get rid of flying, fine I'm ok with it but if they're going to keep it then for fucks sake make up your damn mind on how you want to handle flying.

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In Vanilla:

Farm shards for hours
Run out of ammo
Had to keep food for pets (involved leveling cooking and fishing)
Flint & Steel + Simple Wood made a campfire
Reagents were needed for everything
Buffs lasted 5 mins (in most cases)
Rogues made their own poisons
Warlocks and Pallies QUESTED (almost impossible quests) for their mounts (and some demons)
There were NO flying mounts
There was ONE flight path in most zones
No inscription for scroll of recall
On foot til lvl 40 just in time to get ONE SLOW GROUND MOUNT

But tell me more about how the post-Wrath team didn't understand. They gave us Cata which unlocked flight all over Azeroth and allowed flight from the BEGINNING of the expac.

Well Blizzard did learn from Vanilla

[Supercool]

Theoretically I'm onboard with the argument that flying interferes with design and trivializes content.

But I no longer have faith in the current dev team to design good content in the first place.

If all they're going to make is purposefully tedious garbage, then I don't mind flying over it and bypassing that crap. It's just a shame you can't bypass the rest of the time-gating, casino gameplay, and other garbage.

[Deleted]

yea legion has way too many flight paths, valsharah has like 4 all next to each other, hopefully they limit the amount in the future

I don't think WoW is for you

You seemingly want a Korean style MMORPG where everything takes unnecessarily long and you must run everywhere...

[Deleted]

Im still miles off getting flying That army rep takes forever (just reached honor today)

[Deleted]

One, put down the thesaurus, it doesn't make me take you any more seriously. Because, holy hell man that was some laughable stuff right there.

Two, most of the posts in this thread are exclusively about completing WQs faster, and farming the chests in Isles faster.

Three, if you weren't being such a conceited, arrogant ass, as I've known you to be over the last 5+ years. You may have noticed my posts where I talk about how flying since Cata has been a luxury and not an actual useful part of the game, and nessisary like it was in TBC and Wrath. Flying improves nothing, because it offers nothing.

WTF

What's with the thesaurus comment he's using basic English words normal people use everyday

[Cyi]

The game is much better now and I am of the point of view that it should have occurred sooner and with quicker gating.

[Deleted]

Good for you. It made it 10x less fun for me.

Good thing flying is optional then

[Cyi]

Good thing flying is optional then

This is what kills me about the no flying crowd. If they don't want to fly and want to run from point to point, no one is stopping them. In addition, I don't get the immersion thing either as flight points fly you over everything anyway, at which point you then mount up and frustratingly try and get to a point for a quest, rinse and repeat.

[Deleted]

This is what kills me about the no flying crowd. If they don't want to fly and want to run from point to point, no one is stopping them. In addition, I don't get the immersion thing either as flight points fly you over everything anyway, at which point you then mount up and frustratingly try and get to a point for a quest, rinse and repeat.

It's because it's a flawed logic which basically translates to "I don't want it so nobody should have it" similar to the various other optional features like LFR or PvP or Pet Battles

[Deleted]

jezz, no more focking daze or endless combat because i moved close to some random meaningless mob. Amen.

[Accendor]

Implying that the same couldn't be done without flying.

you are right of course, it is just easier now.

[Supercool]

This is what kills me about the no flying crowd. If they don't want to fly and want to run from point to point, no one is stopping them. In addition, I don't get the immersion thing either as flight points fly you over everything anyway, at which point you then mount up and frustratingly try and get to a point for a quest, rinse and repeat.

This argument works for botting as well. You don't have to bot. Why does mean Blizzard stop people who want to bot from doing so?

[Gaexion Ramza Beoulve]

J-Jaylock?

[Maudib]

Agreed! Might just play for 2 months straight in WoW now, instead of just buying 1 month, then quit for some weeks

This so much. Had flying been in at max level... or with some "earning" but still at launch.... I would not have unsubbed for 6 months. I would have stayed in game because I do not enjoy being stuck on the ground. I would have leveled alts.

Blizz says "see all the content before you fly"... I will unlock it in the next couple days... I HAVE seen everything... AND I took a 6 month break. So what does that tell you about the "content"? And which is better... me staying in game consistently and not dropping sub or me coming back now and having no feeling of continuity, no care to join a guild, no desire to raid anything but LFR?

For both me and Blizzard... having flight at max level and staying in game would have been a much better result.

[Raelbo]

In addition, I don't get the immersion thing either

Yeah. The "immersion" argument against flying is pure BS because it operates on the premise that immersion is a good thing. It completely fails logically because immersion is can be a blessing or a curse, depending on the context.

Immersion is great when you have new content to explore. But once you're familiar with the content, immersion becomes tedious. The immersive experience of discovering the Broken Isles and exploring the different areas, uncovering it's secrets etc was really fun. But repeating that experience loses the appeal the more you do it. I don't want to waste my time on alts wondering what is on the other side of that rocky outcrop. I already know what's there - I just want to get there quickly so that I can do what I need to do and move on to my next objective.

This is why those who are staunch anti-flyers annoy me. They fail to consider the dynamic aspect of the game and how it is that what may be fun one day can become not so much the next.

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This argument works for botting as well. You don't have to bot. Why does mean Blizzard stop people who want to bot from doing so?

No it doesn't work well for botting as well. That's a very obvious and blatant example of false equivalence fallacy.

[Cyi]

This argument works for botting as well. You don't have to bot. Why does mean Blizzard stop people who want to bot from doing so?

Your argument if flawed, botting is, (A)against the terms of service; (B)can drastically effect the in game economy; (C)not a valid part of the game. I could come up with more but I hope you see the difference.