House GOP Passed Trumpcare on Thursday

[Eliandal]

To be fair, American Liberalism is incredibly conservative by the standards of the rest of the world.

Our Conservatives are super conservatives, our Liberals are light conservatives.

THAT, could be a hugely funny social experiment, switch your system with Canada's ! Oh man...would your right wing, evangelical Christians have a cow. It's telling...but, here - your Democrats would mostly fall in the Conservative camp. your third party candidates would be either Liberal or NDP - and your Republicans? They'd have about 5 seats total - that crap would never be in power up here (The most solid conservative governments we've had would be considered, at best...Democrats, by you guys ;P)

[Poopymonster]

The problem is that medicaid is just a bandaid for the costs that exist. Healthcare costs will keep skyrocketing, but the federal budget won't be able to handle it and it will explode. We can't just keep expanding medicaid. We need to find the source of the problem. The costs themselves.

Go universal, government negotiates a low price "Take it or lose your largest market", costs come down.

I'm glad you're on board with universal healthcare.

[Celarent]

Why today? Now all the uplifting posts about Skywalkers and the Force have to compete on my Facebook feed with left-liberals who cry if they can't win everything.

[Thepersona]

Go universal, government negotiates a low price "Take it or lose your largest market", costs come down.

I'm glad you're on board with universal healthcare.

Universal health care is the way to go, it lowers costs for everyone...

[Vash The Stampede]

Yeah, they're basically cartoon villians at this point.

Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged.

[Kujako]

Why today?

Because we have a recess coming up.

[Sky High]

Why today? Now all the uplifting posts about Skywalkers and the Force have to compete on my Facebook feed with left-liberals who cry if they can't win everything.

it must suck to have such crushing first world problems like that, I feel ya man.

[alexw]

Thats why i fail to understand their thought process. They only lose with this move... why make it?

Hubris? Delusions of grandeur? Psychotic tendencies?

Its hard to say....

[BrerBear]

Why today? Now all the uplifting posts about Skywalkers and the Force have to compete on my Facebook feed with left-liberals who cry if they can't win everything.

If you think the Republicans were mean to schedule this on your beloved "Star Wars Day", wait until you find out what they think about "Constituent Life Day"!

[Celarent]

it must suck to have such crushing first world problems like that, I feel ya man.

Thanks, thanks. I like the other posts because assuming someone's evil because they disagree on something is a real drag, you know?

[Sky High]

Thanks, thanks. I like the other posts because assuming someone's evil because they disagree on something is a real drag, you know?

I don't think they're evil, I think they know they're full of shit and just having a giggle.

[Slybak]

The madness continues

GOP senators: We're doing our own healthcare bill

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...ll-must-change

Basically the bill goes to what's commonly called "Conference," a committee made up of House and Senate members, and they combine the provisions of the bill. The House and Senate then individually vote on the final product. They'll want to get to that point within a few weeks.

The law is being drafted under budget reconciliation instructions in order to circumvent the 60-vote filibuster, and those instructions become defunct when Congress either takes up the FY2018 budget or the FY2017 budget expires, which basically means September at that latest. That's the window they have to act, but its not just cutting healthcare that's on their agenda.

They also want to do "tax reform" (i.e. tax cuts for rich people) under the same reconciliation instructions. Why? Because changes to taxes and spending cannot be made under reconciliation instructions unless they are deficit neutral over a ten year period. By passing the AHCA first, they can use the unimaginably malevolent cuts it makes to Medicaid to offset the budgetary impact of the tax cuts they want to implement later.

When W. Bush and the Republicans passed their massive upper-class tax cuts in 2001 and 2003, they did so under reconciliation instructions. But because they couldn't implement any spending cuts for political reasons (massive spending cuts used to let rich people pay less taxes tend to be unpopular) they had to insert a "sunset provision" that would cause the tax cuts to expire within 10 years of implementation, hoping they can renew them or make them permanent before the expiry date under regular legislative rules (every SOTU address Bush issued called for those cuts to be "made permanent"). That didn't happen. When 2011 hit, Obama negotiated a two year extension after which the top marginal tax rate would return to its pre-2001 level.

Republicans don't want to do that again. They want to load as much of a tax cut for rich people as possible in the "tax reform" bill without needing a sunset provision. They need to act fast to do that.

[Jtbrig7390]

That makes absolutely no sense. You don't have to experience something to understand how it works.

When it comes to being poor, Ya you do need to experience it to understand it.

Its quite clear you don't understand it.

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That's a high hope that we both know won't happen, because people are blind to their own parties hypocrisies.

While true, I can hope it happens but expect a decent amount will lose there seats.

[Poopymonster]

The madness continues

GOP senators: We're doing our own healthcare bill

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...ll-must-change

So the Senate will pass their own altered version, which gets sent back to the House, where it dies due to either the Freedumb Cockheads or the Tuesday Group say no because it's not cruel enough/too cruel.

Then the House goes home and says "SEE! We passed it, but those evil Senators said no"
Senate hides behind "It was too damaging to our constituents, the House said no"
The President claims it passed both houses unanimously, he signed it into law, but it was immediately destroyed by a federal justice because she's a liberal minority activist judge.

[GreenJesus]

Go universal, government negotiates a low price "Take it or lose your largest market", costs come down.

I'm glad you're on board with universal healthcare.

Thanks. I am too. Just saying the democrats being all butthurt about medicaid is misguided. The government can't continue to subsidize these costs at this rate of growth.

[Breccia]

So... al of this shitshow was for nothing? Fucking really?

NO.

Their names are on the dotted line. They signed this piece of shit. Even if it fails, they can never wipe that away.

[Kujako]

NO.

Their names are on the dotted line. They signed this piece of shit. Even if it fails, they can never wipe that away.

Except that they now get to say how great it would have been, and how it would have fixed everything, if only those crazy Republicans in Congress would have passed it!

[Jtbrig7390]

Except that they now get to say how great it would have been, and how it would have fixed everything, if only those crazy Republicans in Congress would have passed it!

You know shit is bad when it ends like a episode of Scooby-Doo.

[Toppy]

Except that they now get to say how great it would have been, and how it would have fixed everything, if only those crazy Republicans in Congress would have passed it!

First of all, for some reason I always think your avatar is Brock Sampson.

Second, yea, politics as usual. Blame will be shifted in some way. But for this one, I dont know. Its just so universally damning. You can't explain away how house members and their staff were exempt from the worst of the bill itself. That's villain level lunacy.

[Breccia]

Except that they now get to say how great it would have been, and how it would have fixed everything, if only those crazy Republicans in Congress would have passed it!

They can say it would give pink unicorns blowjobs, doesn't make it true. The CBO is going to drop on this soon enough...er...soon.