Deadly unrest grips Venezuela as students rally

[Kalis]

Meanwhile in Denmark, Iceland and Switzerland. They countries with the happiest citizens.

None of those counties are socialist.

And presumably you meant Sweden, not Switzerland.

[Zan15]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-prot...064617164.html

Shit is getting real in Venezuela, I wonder what Bernie thinks of the socialist paradise now.

lol someone thinks Venezuela is a socialist country.
Guess we can discount how many successful socialist countries because of this dictatorship?

[Kalis]

Well then we should have no problem adapting a similar model in the US, but we can't even get a single payer system. Because socialism will turn us into the Nazis.

A single payer healthcare system does not make you socialist. The UK has a state run single payer system and is most definitely not socialist.

Oh you haven't heard those ones don't count.

When you have to include countries that are not socialist in your list of successful socialist countries, then people get a bit suspicious of the success rate of socialism.

[Theinquisition]

Yeah, the people who came from other states to start punching people are totally there to defend freedoms and not start fights. Totally. That's why they all showed up with weapons and other shit.

Actually yes.

I can't speak for everyone their, but myself and the group I was with acted only defensively.

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I had one of these happened right up the street from me and I missed it. They honestly look like fun. Best picture of the event:

Yeah, ANTIFA are generally cowardly little shits. They only get ballsy when in a group. When I was at the event I attended, pro-freedom groups were able to separate many of them from the herd. they ran away screaming like the cowards they are.

They are some nasty folks, I personally saw them put m80's into wine bottles and throw them into crowds, beat people with large wrenches and bats, and pepperspray women and the elderly.

I duct taped large wrenches to the insides of my forearms to block bats and pipes and helped personally defend several wheelchair bound vets that ANTIFA was assaulting.

[NED funded]

There is a lot more, but i'm done googling for someone who has the internet.


http://www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#Nordic_model


http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism

Are you confusing social democracy with socialism? Social democracy gave up on the idea of acquiring the means of production (fundamental in every version of socialism) and instead choose to improve over the current capitalist system. Also, lol "social model" in no way refers to socialism. Socialism would be a social and economic model.

Also democratic socialism is different to social democracy. Democratic socialism refers to the transition to socialism through democratic means, meaning that there is an objective to eventually acquire the means of production.

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Well then we should have no problem adapting a similar model in the US, but we can't even get a single payer system. Because socialism will turn us into the Nazis.

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Oh you haven't heard those ones don't count.

Single payer is not the only form of universal healthcare. Unless we are going to neglect switzerland, singapore, germany, netherlands, etc.

[Zan15]

A single payer healthcare system does not make you socialist. The UK has a state run single payer system and is most definitely not socialist.



When you have to include countries that are not socialist in your list of successful socialist countries, then people get a bit suspicious of the success rate of socialism.

we have single payer healthcare too, you just need to be a VET or over 65 to get it

[NED funded]

lol someone thinks Venezuela is a socialist country.
Guess we can discount how many successful socialist countries because of this dictatorship?

How is Venezuela not socialism? Do I need to link the spongebob gif?

[Kalis]

How is Venezuela not socialism? Do I need to link the spongebob gif?

It is quite simple; if a supposedly socialist nation fails, then it was not really socialism and if it succeeds...well, we are still waiting for that to happen, so we wil get back to you.

[Theinquisition]

we have single payer healthcare too, you just need to be a VET or over 65 to get it

I'm a Vet, and ill tell you this, if America gets single payer that's equal to the quality of care we get, you are screwed.

[Zan15]

How is Venezuela not socialism? Do I need to link the spongebob gif?

socialist countries are not corrupt countries run as a dictatorship where the leader waste billions on himself, gives companies to his friends and sells the country to china.

you had an attempt of running this country like socialism that quickly fell more into Authoritarianism and closer to communist dictatorship then socialism.

they had socialist aspects in their country, on the same basis we do here in this country.


the countries failures can easily be attributed to oils price crash and the reaction to this crash by the leaders, not socialism.

[Kalis]

socialist countries are not corrupt countries run as a dictatorship where the leader waste billions on himself, gives companies to his friends and sells the country to china.

That is often how they end up, so it seems to be a fairly accurate description of a socialist state.

the countries failures can easily be attributed to oils price crash and the reaction to this crash by the leaders, not socialism.

Socialism has never worked, but maybe next time it will, but probably not.

[Kalis]

Or if a country that has socialist programs fails it's because it's because of socialism, unless it hasn't then it isn't truly a socialist country.

"No true socialist", a bit like like "No true Scotsman", but on an international scale and even more miserable.

[Puremallace]

Venuzuela is a run by a dictator. That is not socialism.

[Kalis]

Venuzuela is a run by a dictator. That is not socialism.

It was held up by prominent socialists as a beacon of socialism, they have gone a bit quiet now.

[Shadowmelded]

I also got to punch a commie who throw a M80 into a crowd of old people, so that was fun too.

So basically you totally agree with the violence in the OP and just want to bash socialism? Lol wow.

[igualitarist]

Silly OP, we all know true socialism is the one that happens on capitalist nordic countries

[NED funded]

socialist countries are not corrupt countries run as a dictatorship where the leader waste billions on himself, gives companies to his friends and sells the country to china.

They nationalized a good chunk of their industries and effectively did the whole seizing the means of production thing. List of the stuff they nationalized. Also, corruption is not mutually exclusive from socialism.

the countries failures can easily be attributed to oils price crash and the reaction to this crash by the leaders, not socialism.

The country was already failing way before the price of oil crashed. There were food shortages when the price of the barrel of oil was at >100$.

[Lycanthat]

I wish Ignore would actually hide threads started by said person.

[Stormdash]

Of what relevance is Bernie Sanders to the goings-on of the Venezuelan people?

They are the latest in an unending, uninterrupted stream of societies who have come to misery and depredation by having tried to go Full Marx?

[Theinquisition]

I wish Ignore would actually hide threads started by said person.

My feelings are hurt?