France's Macron campaign emails appear to be leaked online

[Ravenblade]

I am not surprised that someone (not hard to guess who it might be) tried something like that including to make it look like some attempt of amateurish tampering. That way it will get spread early and to the right people nevertheless and since nobody can tell between truth and lie everyone is believing that version that fits their bias most. I doubt it will have a lot of impact right now but that's also the point of the leaks happening now. Nothing creates more destabilization among enemies than confusion and that means your side will always win. If your favouritized candidate wins or if the other candidate wins doesn't matter, in case the latter happens these leaks will create enough lasting damage to spawn a new set of conspiracy theories from which it is ensured that the next election you will achieve your goal.

[kasuke06]

Pretty much.
We just need to focus a bit less on "ze russians" and a bit more about actually running this fucking continent of ours and all of these issues would be gone.

Yeah, but if they actually start solving problems instead of trying to make new ones to fight, then people will start to expect them to do that all the time.

Like dad says: Always quote at the very least twice as long as it would take to do the job, then people think you're a miracle worker for finishing at the regular time. If they hype up a minor issue and then "orchestrate a bipartisan deal that required them to work between both parties in a stunning display of care for the american people" it looks better and keeps them employed longer.

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Yeah, but if they actually start solving problems instead of trying to make new ones to fight, then people will start to expect them to do that all the time.

Like dad says: Always quote at the very least twice as long as it would take to do the job, then people think you're a miracle worker for finishing at the regular time. If they hype up a minor issue and then "orchestrate a bipartisan deal that required them to work between both parties in a stunning display of care for the american people" it looks better and keeps them employed longer.

Absolutely right. The beautiful game of politics.

[Acidbaron]

Pretty much.
We just need to focus a bit less on "ze russians" and a bit more about actually running this fucking continent of ours and all of these issues would be gone.

Would help to have candidates dealing with actual issues and actual plans not just another far right person trying to blame it all on others.

[minteK917]

Pretty much.
We just need to focus a bit less on "ze russians" and a bit more about actually running this fucking continent of ours and all of these issues would be gone.

And how does Le Pen accomplish this? Her program is more bare bone then even Donald Trump. The debate was the place where she was supposed to be able to explain some of it publicly. 90% of it was her talking about Macron program being the "old" way.

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Would help to have candidates dealing with actual issues and actual plans not just another far right person trying to blame it all on others.

We dont. So we get macron, aka the usual corrupt asshole and le pen, a vote against politics.

[Acidbaron]

And how does Le Pen accomplish this? Her program is more bare bone then even Donald Trump. The debate was the place where she was supposed to be able to explain some of it publicly. 90% of it was her talking about Macron program being the "old" way.

The worst part is these type of self declared "conservatives" ruin the entire debate about sensible migration, they are their own worst enemy and the sole reason why once we bring up big issues like migration control opposition can simply resort to pointing to that type of ideology.

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And how does Le Pen accomplish this? Her program is more bare bone then even Donald Trump. The debate was the place where she was supposed to be able to explain some of it publicly. 90% of it was her talking about Macron program being the "old" way.

She doesnt. A vote for le pen is a loss for the political system. That's the only reason why trump won and Le pen made it this far. That's the only reason behind the insurgency of anti establishment parties across europe. People are tired of watching what is at all effects 21st century aristocracy getting elected and do nothing. So they vote against politics.

Everybody loses.

[JohnBrown1917]

Russians are an easy scapegoat.
It's something these people will never learn, a truth they refuse to see: It's their own population sabotaging the democracy, their own people destroying the country.

I really doubt those leaks came from within France, American alt rigthers are far more likely.

[JohnBrown1917]

You found a very complicated way of saying, "wait till the media that is on our side has time to spin this".

Or wait till the alt-reich finds a way to intercept the leaks as something damning?

[Thage]

Dont know who to believe.

That's usually the intent of leaks like these. Legit content is mixed in with fake content that's done to closely match typing mannerisms from the legit content, making it hard to sift what is and isn't bullshit, which makes it easy for the opposition to put a wedge into the seam and start sowing distrust among the public.

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no, it was to let people sigh a little, and since normally after the last debate everything was said and done, voters can make choice with peace of mind, not with people still throwing fish at each others until the last second.

"il est pas frais mon poisson ?"

[matt4pack]

Sure, perhaps they wouldn't have won with Clinton either. But they certainly wouldn't be getting screwed this hard. Believing that they would get screwed less under Trump is dumb; so I wouldn't underestimate their capacity for believing in dumb shit.

And as far as wanting nobody else to win as well? Well they're failing miserably at that. What little Trump has managed to accomplish basically affects his voters most, and those of us in liberal states are relatively shielded. They're winning so hard, I wonder if they'll ever get tired of winning. MAGA.

Many of the same people who voted for Trump would have voted for Bernie as they had similar tones as far as free trade goes which is what most people care about. It's always about jobs and not the other petty stuff politicians like to talk about to appeal to fringe groups. They just hated Clinton and NAFTA

So maybe blame the people actually responsible which would be the media and DNC when even the polls showed Bernie doing much better in the general then Clinton instead of just calling people stupid. They were the stupid ones.

[Deleted]

Russians are an easy scapegoat.
It's something these people will never learn, a truth they refuse to see: It's their own population sabotaging the democracy, their own people destroying the country.

Absolutely. Every nation has their own skroe pretty much.

[JohnBrown1917]

Many of the same people who voted for Trump would have voted for Bernie as they had similar tones as far as free trade goes which is what most people care about. It's always about jobs and not the other petty stuff politicians like to talk about to appeal to fringe groups. They just hated Clinton and NAFTA

So maybe blame the people actually responsible which would be the media and DNC when even the polls showed Bernie doing much better in the general then Clinton instead of just calling people stupid. They were the stupid ones.

Wrong choice then, He is extremely far to the right one economics, almost polar opposite to Bernie.

[Garnier Fructis]

It's more about the message, "We're willing to throw the human equivalent of a molotov into the engine(fun fact, the molotov cocktail was an anti-tank weapon.) and watch the whole fucking thing burn rather than pick who you tell us to!" People are sick and tired of politics as usual and will gladly vote for just enough rope to hang themselves

Which is why I'm never going to get tired of pointing out the 'themselves' part. Us in our liberal strongholds will be doing just fine.

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Many of the same people who voted for Trump would have voted for Bernie as they had similar tones as far as free trade goes which is what most people care about. It's always about jobs and not the other petty stuff politicians like to talk about to appeal to fringe groups. They just hated Clinton and NAFTA

So maybe blame the people actually responsible which would be the media and DNC when even the polls showed Bernie doing much better in the general then Clinton instead of just calling people stupid. They were the stupid ones.

What else do I call people who are worried about jobs and then vote for the guy who promised them jobs that will not come back?

[Allybeboba]

I havent looked at any of these emails or read any articles about their contents but the whole point of the DNC/Hillary hack was to expose corruption in terms of the DNC actively working to get Hillary elected as opposed to Bernie. And that can be seen as a exposing a false democracy. So does anyone know if these emails expose corruption for the french candidate?

If neither did has done anything wrong, then they have nothing to worry about. We know what happened with Hillary and DNC.

[Scathbais]

You think only Clinton gets told some of the topics ahead of the debate?
Don't you think that would make for a very boring event if everyone came unprepared?
I'd much rather listen to them debating some questions they knew about in advance and only a few others thrown in, because, you know, that is how it works if they get the job: They get the question, then they ask their advisors and spend some time thinking on the subject, and only afterwards to they hold speeches and make decisions.
Politicans are supposedly elected for their ability to govern, not as standup-comedians or rappers.

Debates are just as much about appearing competent and knowledgeable as they are about the actual answers. When one party gets the questions and can prepare and the other doesn't, you can't make an accurate assessment about their relative debate performance.

What you are describing is more of a take home test rather than actually hearing what each debater has to say based on what they already know, not based on what their team prepared for them. Hillary relied on a team to come up with her answers and when she gave off the cuff answers (we were dead broke when left the white house) they were awful.

Not sure what the purpose of listening to a debate when under your scenario we could just read the answers they publish and not bother watching.

Nice way to try to excuse the bad behavior of your candidate though!

[Garnier Fructis]

If neither did has done anything wrong, then they have nothing to worry about. We know what happened with Hillary and DNC.

Nothing to worry about, except random idiots inventing and finding things that aren't there. We went through this shit tons of times on this very forum. Person A goes 'look at this damning email!', and people either realize that person A doesn't understand the email, or they fall for it.

When there's a legion of people who have a bone to pick with you and who have nonexistent analytical skills yet happen to think their Sherlock Holmes, then you have a lot to worry about even if you did nothing wrong. Because lies are much easier to spread than they are to debunk.

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Debates are just as much about appearing competent and knowledgeable as they are about the actual answers.

Which apparently doesn't count for shit, because the dude that eventually won managed to appear incompetent and ignorant in every single debate, including the primary debates.

And besides, it's not like we can pass this off as a side effect of 'not being prepared' or something. Because even now he's still describing things with such brilliant terms as 'and other things, like lots of... things are done, including some bad things.' Truly, a man who knows what he's doing.

[Mormolyce]

Russians are an easy scapegoat.
It's something these people will never learn, a truth they refuse to see: It's their own population sabotaging the democracy, their own people destroying the country.

Of course, that's why Russia encourages fringe right groups.