You want less police? You get less police.

[Svifnymr]

You and I are saying the same thing, if the officer feels he has justification to for an arrest/search/detain, arguing with him at that point and time is fruitless.

They legally have power over you at that point in time, because mistakenly or not, they have justified to themselves that the stop is warranted. If you resist at that time you are actually giving them legal justification at that point. If you go with it, and properly challenge their justification, everything that happened to you during the stop gets thrown out.
If you resist, your legal battle will be much harder, if not impossible.

A lawyer once phrased it as "you can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride". The time to fight an arrest is in court after, not screaming or fighting on the street. If you are unlawfully detained, file a grievance or lawsuit or whatever after the fact.

Obviously being poor hurts the ability to hire a lawyer to defend against charges and/ or go after an officer that has overstepped his bounds, but there are plenty of oversight committees and organizations.

[Zython]

Some cops*


For the second time, you're doing exactly the thing I said you need to grow up and stop doing.

The problem is that the rest of them are covering for those "some cops", making them complicit.

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Emotional response detected.

Really? You couldn't stop screaming at me earlier when I disagreed with you.

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More blacks should become police officers and police their own neighborhoods.

Black people need to stop looking at black cops like they're traitors.

The Black Panthers did that. They also ran their own ambulance and school breakfast services.

[Protean]

The problem is that the rest of them are covering for those "some cops", making them complicit.

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Really? You couldn't stop screaming at me earlier when I disagreed with you.

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The Black Panthers did that. They also ran their own ambulance and school breakfast services.

You mean some cops are covering up for some other cops. Saying all the cops do this is completely inane and neuters any point you try to get across.

[TITAN308]

Somewhat on topic... or not...

http://nypost.com/2017/05/09/this-22...s-53rd-arrest/

Justice System working indeed.

[jon234]

Because we hold the military and the police on a retarded pedestal above everyone else as the bestest thingies ever1!!111one

Because with out people upholding civil order and protecting your freedom who else will? I doubt you behind a keyboard would attacking those who uphold civil order and protect the amount of rights we have. shocking I know.

[KrazyK923]

Because with out people upholding civil order and protecting your freedom who else will? I doubt you behind a keyboard would attacking those who uphold civil order and protect the amount of rights we have. shocking I know.

Just because their job is noble doesn't mean every single officer is noble and/or operating within the law. Nor is it me saying everyone IS a bad cop who shoots first and asks questions later, defended by their police union 99% of the time.

But okay?

[Theinquisition]

I don't think people wanted less police. They wanted better police who were better trained and would be held to account for actions they took.

Not really.

Id believe that if the community wouldnt want to lynch cops when they shoot a suspect justly.

[Slant]

And here we are across the pond wishing for more police.

Not really.

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I don't think people wanted less police. They wanted better police who were better trained and would be held to account for actions they took.

That's a given, I guess. But the interesting question is... if you had to choose between lots of badly trained police and less but better trained police (given the same budget), which would you prefer?

[Puupi]

Not really.

Yes, we are. At least in Finland. I doubt it's that different in any other country in Europe. There just isn't enough police.

Maybe some anarchists, militant tree huggers and radical socialists don't like it, but those are a small minority fortunately.

[Slant]

Yes, we are. At least in Finland. I doubt it's that different in any other country in Europe. There just isn't enough police.

Not really, I've yet to hear anyone bitch about not enough police in Germany. Or too much, really. It happens when you get along well with your police. Our police is underequipped, but that's about the only thing you can say about police here.

[Fuiking]

Out of another one of "No Shit Sherlock" files.

Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...cop-hostility/



So for face value people will be like, "This is great, less police brutality and/or overstepping boundaries." I don't predict this will ultimately go how anti-police proponents are think its going to go. Basically you have less 1% (or less) of the over all police force in America abusing their position and now like a virus the article is pointing out what is going to happen in a more broad spectrum.

As a side note to surely the non-American people who will step in here and say, "Well good, our police force [insert explanation here] don't have these problems" - well your police force is exposed to an interacts with a completely different breed of people.

So in the end people want nothing more than (what we call) "report takers", well that is what you are going to get.

A professional legion of report takers. Enjoy.

I raise you....Binnen de Nationale Politie ligt een plan om een deel van de agenten ontwapenen. Leden van het onderdeel Forensische Opsporing die hun dienstwapen dreigen te verliezen, reageren erg verontrust. Ze vinden het onveilig en onbegrijpelijk in deze tijd van terreurdreiging.

Translation + source: Inside the National Police there are plans to disarm a portion of the Police. http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2...twapend__.html

Then again, its the Netherlands, the country where 5 crooks with aks managed to drive thru the whole country and never been stopped

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Not really, I've yet to hear anyone bitch about not enough police in Germany. Or too much, really. It happens when you get along well with your police. Our police is underequipped, but that's about the only thing you can say about police here.

Atleast they have pew pew pews still ? ^^

[Pony Soldier]

I wish for like a month they would just close down police departments just to see how things go without them. Lets see what these anti-police people have to say then. "But he stole my TV!" tough shit. "My car was broken into!" sucks for you. "My family member is missing!" not my problem. "I was raped/assaulted!" damn, that sucks. They are all anti-police until something happens to them. I have a friend (not much of a friend anymore, don't see him as much and he changed a lot for the worse) who is like this and constantly sharing anti-police article links on Facebook. Even when we were growing up together he's hated the police for some reason. He never even met a cop until he was pulled over years later for having weed in his car (the fucking idiot). Pretty sure he just wanted to fit in with the cool gangstas (he was a big time poser back then).

Just don't do stupid shit and you'll never have to deal with a cop in your life. If you do just listen to what he/she says do what he/she says and you'll be on your way in a matter of a few minutes. But no, people want to be little rebels and smartasses towards them and then that's when they want to pull the victim card.

The police have jobs they need to do and laws to uphold. Yes there are crooked douchebag cops who don't deserve to be on the force but that is like 1% of them. To hate all of them because of the actions from just a few of them you see on TV is narrow-minded and ignorant. The good cops vastly outnumber the bad ones.

[Revik]

In California our problems are 2 fold. Not only do we have timid Police but we are having to deal with nearly 10,000 criminals being set free to roam the streets.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/...state-prisons/

How wonderful.

[Fencers]

So for face value people will be like, "This is great, less police brutality and/or overstepping boundaries." I don't predict this will ultimately go how anti-police proponents are think its going to go.

Umhm. So these 'people', are representative of who and what proportion of Americans that "want less police"?

I understand there are Americans, or 'people', that wish for less police brutality and use of deadly force under varying circumstances. But can you inform how that translates to 'people wanting less police'.. erm, Sherlock?

[Ethris]

Every one of them that chooses not to do their job, is abusing their position, not the just 1% they feel they have to get behind "cause blue brothers".

>Do job correctly
Get yelled at, cause media storm, place family and friends at risk, people riot

>Do job incorrectly
Get yelled at, cause media storm, place family and friends at risk, people riot


Gee, I wonder why "Not doing job at all" has a sweeter sound to it?

[TITAN308]

Umhm. So these 'people', are representative of who and what proportion of Americans that "want less police"?

I understand there are Americans, or 'people', that wish for less police brutality and use of deadly force under varying circumstances. But can you inform how that translates to 'people wanting less police'.. erm, Sherlock?

Because people associate brutality and other such things when they shouldn't be. As stated earlier, a DOJ report reveals 7% of complaints warrant discipline.

If you can't imagine the unintended side effects of people coming down so hard on police their basic job function is hampered then that is on you.

>Do job correctly
Get yelled at, cause media storm, place family and friends at risk, people riot

>Do job incorrectly
Get yelled at, cause media storm, place family and friends at risk, people riot


Gee, I wonder why "Not doing job at all" has a sweeter sound to it?

See this posters statement. Why a simplification of the problem, that is it in a nutshell. @Fencers

[Slant]

>Do job correctly
Get yelled at, cause media storm, place family and friends at risk, people riot

>Do job incorrectly
Get yelled at, cause media storm, place family and friends at risk, people riot


Gee, I wonder why "Not doing job at all" has a sweeter sound to it?

They often do not do the job correctly. Those are the ones that lead to riots and shitstorms. If they had done their job properly, there wouldn't be an outrage. Police brutality isn't part of the agenda.

[TITAN308]

They often do not do the job correctly. Those are the ones that lead to riots and shitstorms. If they had done their job properly, there wouldn't be an outrage. Police brutality isn't part of the agenda.

Like Michael Brown? Right?

Your argument, like many boils down to one thing: We want to address police problems while completely ignoring the retarded community problems involved.

This is not a one way street and it never will be.

[TITAN308]

"We're gonna take our ball and go home because of mean faces! /pout"

Well darn, you poor, poor babies.

"I actually have no idea what I am talking about so here is a McEdgy response to fill the gap"

[Ethris]

They often do not do the job correctly. Those are the ones that lead to riots and shitstorms. If they had done their job properly, there wouldn't be an outrage. Police brutality isn't part of the agenda.

You need to use brute force to restrain brutes.

Furthermore, when public opinion is so skewed in favor of viewing all criminals as victims of police brutality, of course you're not going to think they're doing their job correctly. That's the reason people riot every time an officer using appropriate force is acquitted. Do some use excessive force? Yes. They should be fired and prosecuted; but sometimes they're not. You hear about these cases more often because the media likes to stoke a good public outrage and manufacture a controversy.

But the stories you don't hear every day are when officers nearly die in the line of duty, busting up gangs and nearly getting stabbed to death every day by drug addicts higher than an airplane. That's their daily life, and they're not going to take any chances with their own personal well being when the scum of the earth is out there trying to kill them.

Right now, public opinion sides with the scum. I don't blame the officers one bit for thinking this way, and we have to be more deserving of their protection.