Was quite left leaning, but have slowly been turned off by the left.

[Wyrt]

Hillary is a conservative huh?

Hillary identifies herself as feminist. According to arguments I had with Endus and others in a different thread, conservatives cannot be feminist.

Hillary supports gay marriage. Not a conservative view.

Hillary supported Obamacare, not a conservative view.

I could go on and on and on but you get the idea. Being a corporate prostitute doesn't automatically make you a conservative.

Obamacare isn't conservative? Well it sure as fuck isn't left.

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Oh come on, now I know your not being serious.

I am 100% serious. America was built on the backs of slaves.

You thought the US fought for independence and then a civil war because slavery wasn't a big deal?

[HumbleDuck]

So you are saying the west was built on the back of slavery? Really? You don't think the industrial revolution played a small part?

I said

The west isn't and never was the manifestation of capitalism, if anything slavery was that.

The bolded part is clearly referring to the manifestation of capitalism and not what west is the manifestation of.

[Lumineus]

I'm not sure how you figure that. Calvinists hated slavery because it meant that the power resided in the states. As soon as that power was crushed they were able to exert their influence over federalism to raise the oligarchy we know today. That's what really kicked off the industrial revolution.

[Torto]

I said

The bolded part is clearly referring to the manifestation of capitalism and not what west is the manifestation of.

My mistake, but I still don't agree.

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Obamacare isn't conservative? Well it sure as fuck isn't left.

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I am 100% serious. America was built on the backs of slaves.

You thought the US fought for independence and then a civil war because slavery wasn't a big deal?

Did slavery create the industrialisation of the US through the second world war? Did slaves build the Hoover dam? Did they invent electricity? The automobile? Slavery is the regretful dark part of your history, but it is not responsible for your current wealth or for you being the last global superpower. That's just typical left wing self-loathing bullshit.

[derpkitteh]

i kinda feel you. kinda getting the same thing.

i mean, i wouldn't say i'm all that much more center. left leaning policies are the ideal for most things. but on immigration and shit, i would be considered right leaning and it boggles my mind that having common sense on an issue is considered right or left.

i'm like almost-lesbian-bisexual. i don't want more people imported into my country that hate me and are told to kill me or put me in rags by their beliefs. that's common sense. the gays that support bringing these people here are legitimate idiots with no sense of self-preservation. i mean we're finally moving to a point where christianity isn't keeping us down, you really want to bring something else to regress the policies?

[Wyrt]

Did slavery create the industrialisation of the US through the second world war? Did slaves build the Hoover dam? Did they invent electricity? The automobile? Slavery is the regretful dark part of your history, but it is not responsible for your current wealth or for you being the last global superpower. That's just typical left wing self-loathing bullshit.

America didn't just spring out of nowhere in the industrial revolution.

[Mormolyce]

The internet seems replete with people who think they've discovered some amazing new phenomenon when they get old and become conservative.

[Super Kami Dende]

'Wow, these guys have two different stances on two things which are incomparable. How hypocritical.'

Both things are based entirely on how the person feels. entirely comparable.

"Wow, someone has pointed out my hypocrisy, lets just say it's incomparable to cover my ass"

[schwarzkopf]

Fun fact @op - there are left wing nutters (conformists, prescriptionists etc) just as there are right wing nutters.

Optimal policy is centrist .... take the best bits of the right and the left, and the up and the down and you have a winner.

[JohnBrown1917]

Because you never hear from the great ones. Have you ever heard regularly Steven Hawking give out his political views?

Like how Einstein was a socialist?

[Torto]

i kinda feel you. kinda getting the same thing.

i mean, i wouldn't say i'm all that much more center. left leaning policies are the ideal for most things. but on immigration and shit, i would be considered right leaning and it boggles my mind that having common sense on an issue is considered right or left.

i'm like almost-lesbian-bisexual. i don't want more people imported into my country that hate me and are told to kill me or put me in rags by their beliefs. that's common sense. the gays that support bringing these people here are legitimate idiots with no sense of self-preservation. i mean we're finally moving to a point where christianity isn't keeping us down, you really want to bring something else to regress the policies?

What? You don't want top be thrown off rooftops with the other homosexuals? That's just you being racist.

In all seriousness, when i was much younger I had a lot of progressive ideals. Now I'm a conservative with most around here happy to label me alt-right. The big question is, did I actually become conservative or has my views not really changed but the world has become more progressive around me? Food for thought.

[Stonecloak]

This is basically what nature does on its own Op. it happens on all different levels. The consistent push for left ideas will basically create an opposition to it, and more will lean right, and eventually vice versa. It is very common to change sides, and ideas. I remain independent, and will probably most of my life, but I still identify with some politicians.

[Torgent]

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...ting-behavior/

so it's pretty complicated, but according to the study, as people get older they fall more and more into two categories. Steadfast conservatives and business conservatives (fiscally conservative), and faith and family left and solid liberals (faith and family left is a bit more liberal fiscally, but conservative socially).

so in short, as people get older they become either more fiscally conservative or socially conservative.

Oh look, you posted something that you didn't understand lol. This just means that the younger generations are more liberal than older generations. This is not a trend chart, this is a snapshot. Jesus Christ, did nobody take statistics in highschool?

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Do you understand how voting demographics work? I assume not...

http://college.usatoday.com/2016/11/...l-orientation/

Do you understand how statistics works? This is a snapshot of the vote, this not showing the same voter over their life and watching them change. The new generations are way more liberal than the old generations. This does not mean that people get conservative as they get older. That's what people who don't understand words would say.

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Already went though this with tony. It's not that people lean right as they get older. It's just older generations lean more right.


40 years ago 18 year old were voting republican. 40 years later those people are still voting republican at age 65.


No shift happened in their ideology, they just got older.

I'm glad there's at least one other person on this forum who I would believe if they told me they graduated highschool. It's like trying to explain Newtonian physics to a toddler.

[MatadorMedia]

As I get older I'm still liberal, but less radical. More about negotiating and being patient as we grow.

[JohnBrown1917]

Pretty much this. I was left leaning until I saw how much money was being taken from me for taxes so I started to look into what that money was being used for. I don't mind most things, but when you consider that tax money is being used to replace husbands and aid illegal immigrants while we have people struggling that have lived here all their lives you start to question it.

If you are actually working and haven't paid to be indoctrinated into an educated idiot (most universities) you will most assuredly be conservative. (CONSERVATIVE not Republican)

Conservative and Liberal can be broken down this easily.

Conservative = leave me alone; Liberal = no

NOTE: Neo-cons are just Liberals that are five to ten years behind.

This has to be the most stupid way to split politics ive ever seen.

[oxymoronic]

Fun fact @op - there are left wing nutters (conformists, prescriptionists etc) just as there are right wing nutters.

Optimal policy is centrist .... take the best bits of the right and the left, and the up and the down and you have a winner.

yeah obama was great... too bad he failed healing the racial divide and managed to widen it. i think it went downhill when he said trayvon could be his son. that if he had a son it might look like trayvon... as if that is an excuse to assault a man and bash his head on the pavement.

[May90]

So, you discovered what has been known for ages: a lot of people in all parts of the political spectrum are controlling assholes who want to force the society to abide by their rules. Welcome to the club.

That said, if other people representing your part of the spectrum makes you move away from that part of the spectrum, rather than away from those people, then, I'd say, your beliefs weren't very well thought out in the first place. A solid position is able to withstand people poisoning the well.

[Kraenen]

Somewhat the same. Grew up as a hardcore, far-left, John Lennon leftist (no more borders, no religion, everyone would just get along if...). Slowly became disillusioned by realizing human nature is quite a bit worse than that, and that it takes a whole lot of structure and separation to keep people from going at each other's throats. Also realized that people around the world really do have different beliefs - that they're not all exactly the same, that different cultures will produce different societies and types of people, acting on basic, shared, human psychology.

Maybe one of the final nails in the coffin was realizing that certain left-wing movements really did have a lot of hatred and disgust for people of a certain fairness... that the left could very well be giving support to many extremists who are not simply trying to get equality, but who want a real supremacy over others. These people don't just push extremism in jest; like once equality is gained they'll be nice, decent people and won't be racist. They really just want as much power as they can get. Then there's the unremitting defense of marxism and communism which really should be considered more bizarre and crackpot than it is. And overall I've started to notice a 'homophobia' in terms of disliking people who are similar - I could never put my finger on it, but xenophilia seems to be an appropriate description of the sense that "we" are worse than "they" in any matter of moral, aesthetic, cultural, or physical ways.

I still believe in most of the fundamental values I grew up with, like treating people as individuals first instead of as a race first ('first' is very important here). And some basic notions of equality under the law, and respect for people who are different. I just no longer take it for granted that being as far-left or progressive as you can be is inherently a good thing.

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yeah obama was great... too bad he failed healing the racial divide and managed to widen it. i think it went downhill when he said trayvon could be his son. that if he had a son it might look like trayvon... as if that is an excuse to assault a man and bash his head on the pavement.

There's really little evidence Obama himself did much to make race relations worse. The damage done by different political activist groups like BLM or any number of white-supremacist types far outweighs Obama considering Trayvon to be like his son.

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You were probably not very left leaning at all if you got turned off by the entire eventual point of leftist political goals.

Likely you were always a centrist and just a lot of left leaning issues turned your crank where now more right leaning stuff seems pretty reasonable. Because you were always a centrist to begin with.

In my case I really did become a centrist by technicality when I saw the left moving further and further extreme. I'm sure some of these people were around at the time and I hadn't noticed them. I was probably more liberal than leftist. I preferred the radical individuality and being left alone to the class warfare and strict equality that as an eventual end-game would look like uniformity and oppression.

[schwarzkopf]

yeah obama was great...

Obama wasn't centrist, he was centre right.

[Deathquoi]

Hillary is a conservative huh?

Hillary identifies herself as feminist. According to arguments I had with Endus and others in a different thread, conservatives cannot be feminist.

Hillary supports gay marriage. Not a conservative view.

Hillary supported Obamacare, not a conservative view.

I could go on and on and on but you get the idea. Being a corporate prostitute doesn't automatically make you a conservative.

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Oh come on, now I know your not being serious.

Obamacare was literally modeled after a program instituted on the state level by a Republican governor and initially proposed by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. The individual mandate was a Republican idea, but because Barack Hussein Obama was behind its federal implementation, now it's communism and needs to go.

That's what passes for "logic" with the Republican party now.