Trump Revealed Classified Information to Russian Foreign Minister - WashPo

[BrerBear]

Tell me who has the power to divulge that kind of information if not the president. HE makes those top level decisions. Not You. He has that power. You may disagree with what he did. I disagree with what he did. I dont not however live in a fantasy world were i believe he doesnt have the authority to do so. Keep whining everytime trump makes a presidential decision.

Trump has the power to pardon anyone, too. Even if they act out crimes on his behalf.
Having the authority doesn't make it acceptable, nor is he safe from doing it. At least if we had a Congress that put country over party.

[Skroe]

Will Trump ever stop giving early Christmas presents to his opponents? My god.

I just wish he would do so in a manner that didn't annihilate our credibility along with his own. But I guess this is like the difference between getting an XBOne and a PS4.

As I said, he's our most reliable accomplice.

[Alindra]

Trump needs to resign immediately or be removed from office.

I'm right there with you on that sentiment, but - given what you've said in the past - how does this fall into the "it will take 2 years to defeat Trump" stratagem?

I actually started wondering about that after seeing the backlash Trump got from firing Comey. It made me think "at this rate, will Trump even last until the 2 year mark?" If he doesn't and if Republicans for some reason) still don't abandon him, then what?

For all his other faults, this is exactly the type of scandal I was afraid of with Trump: that he would be so irresponsible that it would damage the nation in a way that would take years / decades to recover from.

[schwarzkopf]

People really need to remember that the POTUS is not a god and cannot do whatever they feel whenever they feel. They are beholden to certain rules and regulations.

Small correction ... "They SHOULD BE beholden to certain rules and regulations".

Right now - there is only ONE group that determines Trump's godhood ... the republican controlled Congress.

Without their intervention - Trump can be god for the next 2/4/6/8 years.

[Bullettime]

I'm right there with you on that sentiment, but - given what you've said in the past - how does this fall into the "it will take 2 years to defeat Trump" stratagem?

I actually started wondering about that after seeing the backlash Trump got from firing Comey. It made me think "at this rate, will Trump even last until the 2 year mark?" If he doesn't and if Republicans for some reason) still don't abandon him, then what?

For all his other faults, this is exactly the type of scandal I was afraid of with Trump: that he would be so irresponsible that it would damage the nation in a way that would take years / decades to recover from.

Because it's unlikely for the GOP to get on board with impeachment unless Trump continues these random unpredictable fuck ups or a blue wave threatens to crush them after mid terms. If the GOP take any losses in the mid terms, they're jumping off the train before they get assblasted in 2020 where they're defending a ton of seats.

[DeadmanWalking]

People really need to remember that the POTUS is not a god and cannot do whatever they feel whenever they feel. They are beholden to certain rules and regulations.

But what if you voted for him because you think he is infallible and refuse any information that goes against that?

[Xyonai]

But what if you voted for him because you think he is infallible and refuse any information that goes against that?

You know, for all the crap some people gave Obama, I actually wonder if some of the people who voted for Trump honestly did think he could ramrod whatever he wanted through, if only because that's exactly what they assumed Obama had been doing.

[DeadmanWalking]

Small correction ... "They SHOULD BE beholden to certain rules and regulations".

Right now - there is only ONE group that determines Trump's godhood ... the republican controlled Congress.

Without their intervention - Trump can be god for the next 2/4/6/8 years.

If you don't think they don't think about a Pence presidency then you would be a bit naive.

[Skroe]

I'm right there with you on that sentiment, but - given what you've said in the past - how does this fall into the "it will take 2 years to defeat Trump" stratagem?

I actually started wondering about that after seeing the backlash Trump got from firing Comey. It made me think "at this rate, will Trump even last until the 2 year mark?" If he doesn't and if Republicans for some reason) still don't abandon him, then what?

For all his other faults, this is exactly the type of scandal I was afraid of with Trump: that he would be so irresponsible that it would damage the nation in a way that would take years / decades to recover from.

Things are happening faster than I predicted, because Trump apparently is, against all odds, less competent than I gave him credit for. He's not just blowing it... he's basically throwing it.

I'm not going to say this will be the one to do him in though. As I said originally, it's going to take a lot of things like this, like the Yates indimidation, like the Comey firing, like the Muslim ban, and so forth. Together it'll do him in.

[HumbleDuck]

People really need to remember that the POTUS is not a god and cannot do whatever they feel whenever they feel. They are beholden to certain rules and regulations.

The problem is , this isn't one of those rules. ( Atleast not directly)
Let me introduce you to some nightmare fuel: Trump can legally issue an executive order to declassify all the classified information held by US government.

[Bullettime]

You know, for all the crap some people gave Obama, I actually wonder if some of the people who voted for Trump honestly did think he could ramrod whatever he wanted through, if only because that's exactly what they assumed Obama had been doing.

A non minor portion of Trump voters hated Obama and wanted Obamacare to burn for being "communism"......but loved the ACA and flipped shit over the repeal measures.

Don't think too much about them.

[Alindra]

Because it's unlikely for the GOP to get on board with impeachment unless Trump continues these random unpredictable fuck ups or a blue wave threatens to crush them after mid terms. If the GOP take any losses in the mid terms, they're jumping off the train before they get assblasted in 2020 where they're defending a ton of seats.

I understand that, but if you look at the post I quoted, @Skroe said "he needs to resign immediately or be removed from office." Immediately is over a year and a half sooner than two years. That's the part I was asking about.

[Bullettime]

I understand that, but if you look at the post I quoted, @Skroe said "he needs to resign immediately or be removed from office." Immediately is over a year and a half sooner than two years. That's the part I was asking about.

Because people assumed he was a moron that would make small flubs on the way to his eventual impeachment but he's proving he's outright incompetent and a possible national security threat.

[schwarzkopf]

If you don't think they don't think about a Pence presidency then you would be a bit naive.

Pence is the only realistic option at this point - I've been saying that since Day -30.

However - Trump has a huge advantage over Pence ... Trump can be manipulated like putty, so right now - ANYTHING some special interest group wants Trump to do, he will do. The huge downside is - can Trump keep his big orange orifice shut long enough to get it done.

[Thepersona]

Things are happening faster than I predicted, because Trump apparently is, against all odds, less competent than I gave him credit for. He's not just blowing it... he's basically throwing it.

I'm not going to say this will be the one to do him in though. As I said originally, it's going to take a lot of things like this, like the Yates indimidation, like the Comey firing, like the Muslim ban, and so forth. Together it'll do him in.

i thought the great thing would be tomorrow, when the public hearings about comey commence... but the flaming train wont stop

[purebalance]

Can someone remind me again, on what the average person would be charged for, if they did that same trick?

Would it be treason? But that's all fine when it's Trump doing it?

IDK the average person could just pretend to be trans and get pardoned.

[Bullettime]

i thought the great thing would be tomorrow, when the public hearings about comey commence... but the flaming train wont stop

Don't get too excited about Comey. He's just going to clear up the loyalty claim and maybe give some personal opinions on events/hypotheticals since he left office ala Clapper.

[Draco-Onis]

I keep thinking what the right would do if Obama did this.

Obama got grilled for saluting holding a coffee, the right would be having a giant boner and filling impeachment proceedings if he did even 1/100th of the things Trump has done.

[Alindra]

Things are happening faster than I predicted, because Trump apparently is, against all odds, less competent than I gave him credit for. He's not just blowing it... he's basically throwing it.

I'm not going to say this will be the one to do him in though. As I said originally, it's going to take a lot of things like this, like the Yates indimidation, like the Comey firing, like the Muslim ban, and so forth. Together it'll do him in.

Gotcha.

I almost said "I hope so," but it's just bizarre. I want Trump to fuck up spectacularly to continue giving his opposition ammunition, but I'm also scared of the implications of those fuck ups. Removing Trump is like taking off a band-aid that rips off your arm in the process... wait, except a band-aid was still useful at some point.

[Edge-]

i thought the great thing would be tomorrow, when the public hearings about comey commence... but the flaming train wont stop

Is he testifying publicly? I know he refused to do a closed doors session and said he wants to do a public hearing, but I didn't know he'd agreed to a day already.

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IDK the average person could just pretend to be trans and get pardoned.

Get this bullshit outta here.