Why do YOU think Healthcare is a Right and not a Privilege?

[Nitro Fun]

Of course it does, look at the US after immigration and refugee waves from the founding of the country.

Prove that refugees makes the country stronger specifically because they are refugees.

[Daelak]

Prove that refugees makes the country stronger specifically because they are refugees.

Large infrastructure projects in the 1800's and 1900's were built by refugees. Our military ranks were bolstered through the enlistment and conscription of millions of refugees during both world wars.

[Nitro Fun]

Large infrastructure projects in the 1800's and 1900's were built by refugees. Our military ranks were bolstered through the enlistment and conscription of millions of refugees during both world wars.

I said specifically because they are refugees.

[Daelak]

I said specifically because they are refugees.

We wouldn't of had the labor nor manpower to do either if it weren't for refugees from Europe, Central and South America, Asia, and Africa. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

[Nitro Fun]

We wouldn't of had the labor nor manpower to do either if it weren't for refugees from Europe, Central and South America, Asia, and Africa. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Are you? This doesn't have anything to do with them being refugees.

[Daelak]

Are you? This doesn't have anything to do with them being refugees.

Yes it does, if we denied them entry to the US we would be objectively worse off because we wouldn't have been able to build a larger military or construct a continental railroad system, highway system, telegraph, electrical, plumbing systems.

[Eazy]

Because healthcare should not be for-profit.

Hahaha, what a joke.

[Nitro Fun]

Yes it does, if we denied them entry to the US we would be objectively worse off because we wouldn't have been able to build a larger military or construct a continental railroad system, highway system, telegraph, electrical, plumbing systems.

No, it doesn't. What part is it that you fail to understand? There is no hocus pocus occurring by taking people because they're refugees, like you claim. You might as well just have said that increase in amount of people who can work is good for the country when you need workers. That doesn't have anything to do with them being refugees.

[Daelak]

No, it doesn't. What part is it that you fail to understand? There is no hocus pocus occurring by taking people because they're refugees, like you claim. You might as well just have said that increase in amount of people who can work is good for the country when you need workers. That doesn't have anything to do with them being refugees.

It has everything to do with being a refugee, because if they weren't they would still be in their country they were born in. Refugees and immigrants are the lifeblood of the US, always has been. They are a strength, not a detriment. Nativists and conservatives are the ones that want to bring the US down to 3rd world status by not gaining an absolute advantage among our adversaries.

[Nitro Fun]

It has everything to do with being a refugee

No, there is no hocus pocus happening that makes taking refugees better than other people.

[Daelak]

No, there is no hocus pocus happening that makes taking refugees better than other people.

Any stance that restricts or criminalizes refugees or immigrants is an argument that makes the US weaker, because people migrating to the US make the economy more diverse, more productive, and incentivises the world's best and brightest to come to the US. Closed borders or any other conservative nativist claptrap only weakens our position and leverage.

[Nitro Fun]

Any stance that restricts or criminalizes refugees or immigrants is an argument that makes the US weaker, because people migrating to the US make the economy more diverse, more productive, and incentivises the world's best and brightest to come to the US. Closed borders or any other conservative nativist claptrap only weakens our position and leverage.

You're making a whole lot of claims without backing them up.

[Docturphil]

From a country with universal healthcare... none of this seems to be true.

Why is healthcare so much more expensive in the USA compared to other countries?

Obesity and general health of the population, higher cost of drugs, lawsuits, higher rates of treatment by specialists vs regular doctors, cost of more highly advanced equipment and greater usage of said equipment, etc...

The quality isn't better at least.

Actually, it is. That's part of the reason it's more expensive. The USA has some of the best doctors and probably the best medical technology in the world.

Isn't the argument usually that in privatized healthcare the costs would be lower? But then we get cases of having to pay $3000 for an ambulance in privatized healthcare vs ~$20 in socialized healthcare.

It's not as simple as just saying "socialized healthcare is better than privatized healthcare" or vise versa. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. The reason the USA has probably the most advanced medical technology is because it's privatized. By the same token, the reason it is so expensive is because it's privatized. The best we can do is come up with some balance between socialized and privatized.

[Deleted]

Oh shit i got cancer out of nowhere, my bad, my fault. Guess i'll just lie down and wait for death.

[Barnabas]

Healthcare should 100% be a right. How we go about paying for those who can't afford it is a whole other can of worms, but to say that it is a privilege is absurd. We have people going around the country currently giving out free Narcan to drug addicts, but we want to bankrupt folks who need radiation or chemo because they were unfortunate enough to get cancer. Pretty sound logic, don't you think?

Government needs to be out of the drug business period. The price of Narcan has gone up since the government subsidized it. It's like everything else they touch.

[bufferunderrun]

Personally I think Healthcare is a privilege and not a right.

If you misuse your body you should have to deal with the consequences unless you have purchased protection in the form of insurance.

Also, in ANY civilized country, no hospital is going to turn you away if you have something life threatening that HAS to be taken care of even if you don't have insurance.

Forcing doctors to see patients under universal health care greatly diminishes a doctors will to continue practicing. It also reduces the will of any people who would be willing to undergo 10+ years of education to become a doctor because the limited ability to make good money in the profession.

only mentally ill americans think healthcare is privilege not a right, and thank God the vast majority of doctors don't chose medicine because they want to make money over the life of patients. (plastic surgeons excluded).

[Jeezy911]

So I should be forced to pay for someone else's abortion through taxes because healthcare is a right?

Um no thanks. It's not about right and wrong, it's about this vast bureaucracy known as government controlling the populous and telling us whats good or moral.

[Deleted]

Because i live in a country where healthcare is a right and it works like a charm.

[Deleted]

Oh shit i got cancer out of nowhere, my bad, my fault. Guess i'll just lie down and wait for death.

Welcome to NHS*.

*not that private healthcare is any better.

[Stormspark]

Hahaha, what a joke.

For profit healthcare is morally wrong. Objectively. As in, if you don't believe that, you are objectively wrong. It is profiting off of suffering. If you don't see how that's wrong then I pity you.