Trump Revealed Classified Information to Russian Foreign Minister - WashPo

[Allybeboba]

Fox news endorsed Hillary? since according to you quoting Trump and showing clips of him would be giving him bad press. No one forces him to tweet or open his mouth.

You have one example of one that is possibly not against Trump. And I gave you an example one that is definitely not for him. I can give you more if you like.
Houston Chronicle, New York Times, LA Times, Dallas Herald... endorsed Hillary Clinton. Practically every large newspaper in the US endorsed Hillary Clinton. Over 240 daily newspapers endorsed her.

[Shadowferal]

Matt Drudge probably.

[Allybeboba]

I'm aware of your disdain for many mainstream media outlets. This is why I'm trying to determine who you find to be credible in dispensing accurate news. Can you please name 4 sources that you get your news from?

Local news affiliates.

[Shadowferal]

Local news affiliates.

In other words you can't name a single one...
ergo, news source = personal opinion...gotcha.

[TZucchini]

Local news affiliates.

That's not an answer. You might as well have said "media sources."

Local news affiliates are owned by someone. NBC. Fox. Etc.

But if you're truly only getting your world news from local affiliates, that might explain a lot.

[Noxx79]

Local news affiliates.

Local news affiliates are even worse that your MSM nemesis. Their margin is so low, that they are extremely susceptible to "interest" stories (which are actually paid ads), spinning to make things more dire, and desperation.

Sad.

[Draco-Onis]

You have one example of one that is possibly not against Trump. And I gave you an example one that is definitely not for him. I can give you more if you like.

Bravo good dodging Kellyanne Conway would be proud but that's not the issue. Please correct me if I am wrong on this.

1) Crisis Occurs.
2) White house puts out a carefully crafted response which include the the vice president, national security down to Sean Spicer.
3) The white house response is spread on pro-Trump outlets.
4) Donald Trump does an interview or goes on a tweet storm blowing that entire response away making his entire administration look like liars and idiots.
5) Even pro-Trump outlets now have to put negative stories by quoting Trump.
6) Trump blames the media for the bad press he gets.

In Which part of this cycle are you going to blame Donald Trump? You know the guy who dropped the ball and screwed his own defense.

[Thepersona]

Again, the Washington Post is a known liberal rag. All one has to do is check and see who they endorsed in the election. Technically they should not have endorsed any candidate if they want to be neutral. Sadly, that isn't the case.
Most newspapers are tabloids nowadays. Especially the the digital versions.

Washington post... a liberal rag? What the fuck are the trumpettes smoking these times? (Note, if you said NYT i may... MAY have considered that)

[TZucchini]

Just a quick re-cap:

Donald Trump: Hillary Clinton is so reckless and doesn't know how to handle classified info...

(Donald Trump blabs to the Russians about highly classified intelligence given to him by Israel)


Donald Trump: If I get elected, I will appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary...

(Donald Trump gets elected. Special prosecutor is appointed to investigate Trump campaign ties to Russia)

[Xirrohon]

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2...d-info-sot.cnn

[xerus]

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2...d-info-sot.cnn

Why are you posting a video from 4 days ago that has been discussed to death?

[Xirrohon]

Why are you posting a video from 4 days ago that has been discussed to death?

because, people are still here making stuff up and I didnt feel like searching 121 pages to see if it was posted or not. Are you going to be ok because I posted that? Should I take it down? you seem not okay.

[Skroe]

I do hope that (one of) the morals/messages people get from this is to keep your guard up and that you have to fight for keep your democracy. I was very uncomfortable with the notion of "we have separation of powers, Trump can't break the system." It seems like it's working out in this case, yes. On the other hand, I keep imagining being in a similar situation with a president who was actually savvy and not an idiot. How much more damage could have been inflicted? How much longer would it have gone on for?

Man I hear that. I had the exact same thing said to me.

My reply: "Do you do a rain dance during a drought top?"

Both the speration and powers and the rain dance, ultimately, are articles of faith. Trump, incompetent as he is, has illustrated clear structural weaknesses within the US system. The FBI director should not serve at the pleasure of the President for example. The Justice Department, perhaps, should not be a political part of the cabinent, or part of the executive branch at all. The President is evidently not bound by conflict of interest regulations (which is insane).

I don't believe in magic, and I don't believe in the system just "magically working".

[xerus]

because, people are still here making stuff up and I didnt feel like searching 121 pages to see if it was posted or not. Are you going to be ok because I posted that? Should I take it down? you seem not okay.

Well you drop an old link with zero commentary that adds nothing to the discussion.

Are you trying to make a point?

[Breccia]

We wouldn't know that since his quote was taken out of context.

Quote was not taken out of context. There's a video and everything. Try harder.

[alexw]

Man I hear that. I had the exact same thing said to me.

My reply: "Do you do a rain dance during a drought top?"

Both the speration and powers and the rain dance, ultimately, are articles of faith. Trump, incompetent as he is, has illustrated clear structural weaknesses within the US system. The FBI director should not serve at the pleasure of the President for example. The Justice Department, perhaps, should not be a political part of the cabinent, or part of the executive branch at all. The President is evidently not bound by conflict of interest regulations (which is insane).

I don't believe in magic, and I don't believe in the system just "magically working".

Hopefully those things will get changed in a bipartisan manner after the current mess is all sorted out. Like you I had people continually repeating the narrative "checks and balances" "checks and balances" to me, as if there was some "checks and balances" fairy that would put everything right at the end as if in some fairy tale. Myself I would think of all those nations that fell to authoritarianism and dictatorship at one time or another, the most recent being turkey, and think to myself "No, we are not immune", then just internally shudder.

I think we really really lucked out with Trump being Trump. Things could have ended very differently if a smart Trump had had the chance to slowly suborn the system over 8 years, slowly but methodically replacing all the top ranks of federal officialdom with stooges and cronies only beholden to him. Of course everyone would/will say that's not possible here "checks and balances" "checks and balances", but then I look at Turkey........

[Skroe]

Hopefully those things will get changed in a bipartisan manner after the current mess is all sorted out. Like you I had people continually repeating the narrative "checks and balances" "checks and balances" to me, as if there was some "checks and balances" fairy that would put everything right at the end as if in some fairy tale. Myself I would think of all those nations that fell to authoritarianism and dictatorship at one time or another, the most recent being turkey, and think to myself "No, we are not immune", then just internally shudder.

I think we really really lucked out with Trump being Trump. Things could have ended very differently if a smart Trump had had the chance to slowly suborn the system over 8 years, slowly but methodically replacing all the top ranks of federal officialdom with stooges and cronies only beholden to him. Of course everyone would/will say that's not possible here "checks and balances" "checks and balances", but then I look at Turkey........

I think this is yet another reason we need to seriously consider a 6 year, non-renewable term rather than two eights. Discussions about that are decades old.

America's problem is that the broad infrastructure of our democracy is extremely sturdy, however some of the details in how we do things are pre-modern. The rest of the democratic world looked to us in the past, implemented what we did in one form or another, then innovated on top of that.

If we want to be an example again, we at least need to modernize the details to protect us from would be Erdogans and future Trumps. And then we can innovate on top of that.

I'd like to see for example, really hard barriers (days out from election date) as to when campaigns and fund-raising can occur. The permanent campaign is not a feature in other countries because they've taken specific steps to stop it.

[BrerBear]

I think this is yet another reason we need to seriously consider a 6 year, non-renewable term rather than two eights. Discussions about that are decades old.

America's problem is that the broad infrastructure of our democracy is extremely sturdy, however some of the details in how we do things are pre-modern. The rest of the democratic world looked to us in the past, implemented what we did in one form or another, then innovated on top of that.

If we want to be an example again, we at least need to modernize the details to protect us from would be Erdogans and future Trumps. And then we can innovate on top of that.

I'd like to see for example, really hard barriers (days out from election date) as to when campaigns and fund-raising can occur. The permanent campaign is not a feature in other countries because they've taken specific steps to stop it.

Other problem with American democracy: many checks on power are tradition instead of law. There needs to be no more wiggle room for demagogues like Trump to lie and obfuscate on issues like his tax returns.

[Garnier Fructis]

Quote was not taken out of context. There's a video and everything. Try harder.

I think the problem is that they simply assume that if they use the same language that their opponents use, then their arguments will have equal merit (or make sense).

[alexw]

Other problem with American democracy: many checks on power are tradition instead of law. There needs to be no more wiggle room for demagogues like Trump to lie and obfuscate on issues like his tax returns.

Agreed. By law if you run for president complete financial disclosure should be required. If you purposefully lie by omission it should be an impeachable offense.