College students furious after they’re tricked into rejecting socialist ideal

[niil945]

Socialists have always been the biggest hypocrites I've ever dealt with.

It's not surprising it was so easy for these people to show it.

Except there's nothing hypocritical in the position that social programs aren't equivalent to an individual's GPA, unless you want to be intellectually dishonest or you simply aren't capable of comprehending the difference of course. Which of those do you fall into or is there another category I missed?

[scmpoe]

all the conservative mouth breathers in this thread jeez. /wheeeeez " you leebruuls find this argument dumb... /deep inhale hahahahahah!, gotcha!"

oh wow wee I sure feel burned.

when you guys can come up with an argument that isn't totally retarded maybe you'll get some effort out of me to disprove it, tell then.

also what you take as hypocrisy is really your inability to even understand an argument that runs counter to your precious little ideals.

The irony

Try contributing something meaningful rather than laughable insults to anyone you disagree with.

[Zeta333]

They earned it by being the child of the wealthy parent. Did they earn it with the sweat off their brow? Not likely but they still earn it by birthright. If the offspring is a lazy moron then they won't have the wealth for long. I'm not sure what point you are driving at here, are you suggesting that any rich parent must donate all their wealth to charity? And be prohibited from employing family members?

thats how fucking life is dude. You get places by knowing people, being born into a wealthy family is the best way of knowing people. Jobs hardly ever hire out of blue and mostly hire referals of employs who got hired because of someone they knew.

[Sky High]

The irony

Try contributing something meaningful rather than laughable insults to anyone you disagree with.

again when you guys present an argument that doesn't rack my brain with how stupid it is MAYBE you'll see an genuine effort for me to show it's wrong. also you're not my fucking mommy! basically don't try and bait me with deliberately misleading tripe because I can see right through it.

[bledgor]

The survey is a false equivalency, and quit stupid.

However this reaction "Some students said the fake petition made them struggle with feelings that they do not belong at Davidson, while others aggressively attacked the video, calling it “oppressive,” “illegally filmed,” and “inflammatory bullsh*t,” according to a video of the April 27 teach-in on Facebook." Is equally as fucking stupid. If a fake petition makes you feel like you don't belong somewhere, you have some MAJOR insecurity issues, holy fuck, and I don't think you should be at college.

[OneTripleZero]

They earned it by being the child of the wealthy parent. Did they earn it with the sweat off their brow? Not likely but they still earn it by birthright. If the offspring is a lazy moron then they won't have the wealth for long. I'm not sure what point you are driving at here, are you suggesting that any rich parent must donate all their wealth to charity? And be prohibited from employing family members?

Your argument is hinging on your variable definition of the word "earn", and how/when you choose to apply it. Until you can settle on a single definition of it that means the same thing when applied to your side of the issue as your opponent's, your posts will be going literally nowhere.

[Torto]

No, I never did. I just don't know by what metric they "earned" anything. Earning something implies that the individual personally worked for it. Saying that you deserve something based solely on who or where you were born is blatant entitlement, undemocratic, and the antithesis of meritocracy. I agree that people that work harder and work smarter deserve to be rewarded. However, you're argueing for a caste system rather than a meritocracy...which is bad.

Okay I see what you mean. In my opinion whether you worked for it or got it through inheritance you've earned it.

If your father decides to pass on the family fortune to you then you earned it. You have obviously done something that merits the reward, the father could have easily left his fortune to someone else.

[scmpoe]

Really? That's all you have as a response? Hit up google. Type in affirmative action. I don't need to explain why what you wrote isn't a valid summary of the definition. The definition, application, and moral justification for such policies are common knowledge and clearly defined and they doesn't match what you wrote. Your explanation was simply partisan text diarrhea.

I'm very aware what affirmative action is, thank you.

Once again you failed to actually explain why what I said is wrong. What part of what I said is incorrect? You just wrote a whole paragraph that effectively said nothing besides "your wrong because..you just are"

"Its common knowledge" is the argument of someone who cannot justify their point. Except its not common knowledge because its not true.

[draykorinee]

This is the dumbest attempt to attack socialist ideas I've seen for a while.
The OP should be embarrassed.

[Theinquisition]

Okay I see what you mean. In my opinion whether you worked for it or got it through inheritance you've earned it.

If your father decides to pass on the family fortune to you then you earned it. You have obviously done something that merits the reward, the father could have easily left his fortune to someone else.

Well the way I see it, the father has "earned" the right to allocate his money the way that he wants. If that means he leaves it to a capable son or a incompetent son, thats his decision to make and no one else should have a say in how he makes that determination.

[Torto]

Your argument is hinging on your variable definition of the word "earn", and how/when you choose to apply it. Until you can settle on a single definition of it that means the same thing when applied to your side of the issue as your opponent's, your posts will be going literally nowhere.

Well that's just it. Do we measure what it means to earn something by how much sweat is created? How many late nights are worked? Does someone digging a ditch earn his money more honestly than a stock broker behind a desk? Does a rich chick sitting on the sofa polishing her nails earn her money more honestly than the maid polishing the silver?

[niil945]

I'm very aware what affirmative action is, thank you.

Once again you failed to actually explain why what I said is wrong. What part of what I said is incorrect? You just wrote a whole paragraph that effectively said nothing besides "your wrong because..you just are"

"Its common knowledge" is the argument of someone who cannot justify their point.

Okay, you do realize affirmative action is public policy/law and you can easily look it up, right? When I said common knowledge I wasn't saying it's common sense, I was saying you can go to the internet and easily find the objective explanation. Feel free to go to a government website, even in a Republican controlled state or at the federal level, that matches what you said it is and you let me know. Otherwise you're just pissing in the wind making yourself look ignorant.

[Moshots]

This is dumb. Money and grades aren't the same and redistributing one doesn't necessarily have anything to do with why you should or shouldn't redistribute the other.

But really, what is it with conservatives and their constant fixation with trying to troll college students?

I mean its better than the liberals that attempt to burn down their campus to stop free speach (UC Berkley)..

How bout this Get a job and work for your money instead of begging for redistribution while you spend 6 days a week protesting for BLM or against trump and don't even work a job because you spend all your days protesting while sitting their with your Woman Studies or Liberal Arts Degree that is worth jack shit in any Real Job because its taugh you nothing about how to do anything that is realistically worth a skill in the job market but then cry you can get a job and then cry that people who work in good jobs and actually go to work make money...

[GodlyBob]

Okay I see what you mean. In my opinion whether you worked for it or got it through inheritance you've earned it.

If your father decides to pass on the family fortune to you then you earned it. You have obviously done something that merits the reward, the father could have easily left his fortune to someone else.

If one earns poverty from their father, does he deserve less opportunity towards advancement for himself and his family than a man who earns wealth?

[Kellhound]

What? I'm saying that the vast majority of the time, there is a clear correlation between effort and the grade you receive. Obviously there are teachers who can have a bias towards certain students for whatever reason but it's typically a personal issue and is not prevalent in higher education. So, I'm not going to sit here and say it never happens but it's even more silly to act like there isn't such a correlation which is what you were seeming to suggest. Otherwise your post was pointless spam.

In high school and below, effort and grades have a much weaker correlation. More bias exists and teachers are more likely to pass you just for "trying" regardless of performance.

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I'm not sure if you're saying this is an issue in high school or college. It most certainly isn't true in college besides maybe a select few extremely rare cases. Not to the point of being an issue though.

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Probably his ass. Where he gets post of his arguments.

I am putting in very little effort in the chemistry class I am taking right now, yet I have an A in it. Likewise I had a Poli Sci class that I missed over 1/2 the class, didnt turn in most of the assignments, didnt study for the final, and still passed the class because I aced the final. A lot is in play that effects the effort to outcome ratio even with college grades.

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when you guys can come up with an argument that isn't totally retarded maybe you'll get some effort out of me to disprove it, tell then.

also what you take as hypocrisy is really your inability to even understand an argument that runs counter to your precious little ideals.

This applies both ways.

[Kuntantee]

This is one of the dumbest comparisons I've ever seen in my life.

[Kuntantee]

I already acknowledged there are other factors but there's an obviously strong correlation between effort and grades earned. Just because some courses require vastly less effort, doesn't mean that correlation doesn't' exist.

It is also depends on individual. Some individuals are able to get higher grades with less effort.

[ButterBeast]

Man the corporate-shills are reaching hard nowadays.

[Theinquisition]

Man the corporate-shills are reaching hard nowadays.

Yeah, like...fuck the man dude.

[Kellhound]

I already acknowledged there are other factors but there's an obviously strong correlation between effort and grades earned. Just because some courses require vastly less effort, doesn't mean that correlation doesn't' exist.

Just like there are many factors to being rich, but that doesn't mean there isn't a correlation between work and monetary reward?