College students furious after they’re tricked into rejecting socialist ideal

[DesMephisto]

Grades should honestly just be removed, school should be a personal choice for ones own growth. The analogy that grades being redistributed is somehow equal to wealth is hilarious. For one, the highest grade you can get is an A+ there are a total of 30 possible grades one can receive (assuming we don't count IC/etc) while there is a range from zero to billions that a person can earn. You might have an argument if 1. Hard work reflected return in income (it doesn't) and 2. Income was capped so that it was "obtainable". Since neither of these is true, this experiment is the byproduct of conservatives who once again prove they don't understand jack shit.

[Stormspellz]

The fact some here think wealth should be distributed is fucking disturbing

I like my roads, bridges, fire and police departments thank you very much.

[Arlon]

I like my roads, bridges, fire and police departments thank you very much.

The very idea of personal property is rooted in wealth distribution. Practically no one here has the power to protect "their" wealth from others without society and it's imposed rules.

[JohnBrown1917]

The fact some here think wealth should be distributed is fucking disturbing

Us evil democratic socialist need money for our baby sacrifices, it can't be helped.

[shimerra]

The biggest predictor of your future income is if you pick a field that pays and has a future.

Wrong. So so so so wrong. Because of a whole list of reasons. First being access to education though ability to save, time and money to invests in child's education as well as ability, and connections both educational and professional. The child of bill gates starts the race at a massively bigger advantage than the youngest of 4 single mother working at Best Buy even if they're not as smart. And statistics confirms what any idiot should be able to determine. You're basically trying to claim that the slower runner doesn't have an advantage even if hit starts with 80% of the race done because the other guy starting at -20% because the second runner is technically faster and the first guy did it all in his own. All that plays a role. Wrote a kid even has a chance to the pick a major point helping determine if they even can pick a field one way or the other.


Instead you straw man with a totally irrelevant point to what I was making. But what do I know. Degree in economics and multiple hours in statistics and labor Econ specificly. We never talked about wage regeressions or anything. You do you with your narrow ideology and the strict narrative it mandates you believe.

[Allybeboba]

Some people support the 'distribution' of item X that group 1 has an excess of amount of to group 2 because they lack units of item X.
However, when group 2 has excess of item Y the idea of distribution goes out the window for the same group that was supporting said distribution of item X from group 1.
Almost as bad as people supporting distribution of item X as long as you take every one else's item X and distribute them and leave my item X alone.

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The fact some here think wealth should be distributed is fucking disturbing

People seemed to loved Robin Hood didn't they? Oh, that was largely a fictional character. Same premise though.

[Powerogue]

"How dare they call out the hypocrisy of our positions?!" >:O

About the only thing I'd point out is that you can't inherit A's. Still, the point stands.

[Cthulhu 2020]

If only we lived in a world where grades were actual currency for food and housing.

If only we lived in a world where grades were a finite, countable resource, instead of a flexible individual measure of merit.

[Forogil]

Nexx stated your point was entirely semantics. And it is.

In that case it was entirely that Nexx's semantics are wrong.

Let's go back to the start (the removed part are not relevant for this):

Communism in USSR is also good example of how socialism do not work

Socialism isn't communism.

These aren't some sort of subset/superset relationships going on. If anything it'd be a venn diagram with some slight overlap.

And as you know communism is generally seen as part of socialism - i.e. a subset relationship.

And you even admit that socialism can mean something distinct from communism. Trying to draw parallels between Marxist socialism and modern democratic socialism as seen in Sweden, Canada, and Britain is a joke.

Except that Sweden and Canada have social democrats - not socialists; because they don't want to take control of the means of production.
(But Britain is a joke.)

that context is predicated upon college students who espouse democratic socialist ideas that someone tried to write off as communist which was the starting point for your pedantic tangent.

If the point is to make a difference between democratic socialists and communist it is actually a good idea to use the term 'democratic socialists' not 'socialists' instead of incorrectly stating that socialism and communism only have a little overlap.

[Mittens]

You said this very early on in that discussion.



Nexx stated your point was entirely semantics. And it is. And you even admit that socialism can mean something distinct from communism. Trying to draw parallels between Marxist socialism and modern democratic socialism as seen in Sweden, Canada, and Britain is a joke. They aren't the same thing. Context is important. And that context is predicated upon college students who espouse democratic socialist ideas that someone tried to write off as communist which was the starting point for your pedantic tangent.

The nations you mention are social democrats not democratic socialists. There is a big difference between the two.

[Forogil]

Checked again

But you only checked that analogy has equivalence as synonym.
If they really are synonyms one would expect that equivalence has analogy as a synonym.

[Torto]

Who's defending it? We're calling bullshit on an invalid comparison while conservative wackjobs are saying, 'hur dur, we gots dem stoopid liberals!'

And that really burns you guys up.

This whole thread is priceless. Watching all the progressive liberal lefties contort themselves by trying to explain away the obvious hypocrisy by arguing over synonyms, equivalency and analogies make this whole thread pure gold. You guys can obfuscate all you want, the message in the video in very clear. Don't stress about it too much though, your bubble wrapped world view would have been shattered once you entered the real world anyway.

[Torto]

Actually the people arguing over the semantics all agree with each other that it's still a shit comparison/analogy or whatever you want to call it.

There is no hypocrisy because it's a shit analogy and you can't compare the two things. So disagreeing with one doesn't make you hypocritical when agreeing with the other.

I still never understand the notion that academics aren't part of the real world. It's a baseless statement with no real merit.

You disagree with the analogy because you are looking at the actual rewards for effort, grades and money. You are missing the point, which is the harder you work, the greater should be your reward. But in the socialist view, the harder you work the greater you reward someone else. Arguing over grades and salary is a misnomer.

Most places of academia are progressive workshops totally divorced from the real world. They are actually doing their students a disservice.

[Masark]

You are missing the point, which is the harder you work, the greater should be your reward.

Within reasonable limits, yes.

That is not what unbridled capitalism results in.

[Theinquisition]

And that really burns you guys up.

This whole thread is priceless. Watching all the progressive liberal lefties contort themselves by trying to explain away the obvious hypocrisy by arguing over synonyms, equivalency and analogies make this whole thread pure gold. You guys can obfuscate all you want, the message in the video in very clear. Don't stress about it too much though, your bubble wrapped world view would have been shattered once you entered the real world anyway.

This thread certainly has been fun lol.

These are the same people screaming about trump having 2 scoops of ice cream or bitching about how he eats fried chicken with a fork.

[unfilteredJW]

"We scored a point hooray!"

Adorable as ever you kiddos.

[Revi]

And that really burns you guys up.

This whole thread is priceless. Watching all the progressive liberal lefties contort themselves by trying to explain away the obvious hypocrisy by arguing over synonyms, equivalency and analogies make this whole thread pure gold. You guys can obfuscate all you want, the message in the video in very clear. Don't stress about it too much though, your bubble wrapped world view would have been shattered once you entered the real world anyway.

I haven't followed this thread, but I'm guessing your talking about people calling it an invalid comparison.

If you disagree I'm curious why. Can you explain how money and grades function the same? I get the idea that money is reward for effort, but given that an economy functions drastically different to the assignment of grades, I can't wrap my head around them being comparable here.

[Fencers]

It's an analogy, not a equivalency

False analogies are also informal fallacies. There is also the distinct Weak Analogy- also a logical fallacy.

Rational thought brokers no wiggle room at all.

These are all poor arguments made from induction and rely on intuition to make conclusions about reality. Intuition is generally full of errors. Like, almost all of it actually. Leading to cognitive bias often.

There is a problematic lack of intellectualism going on in these threads. I am not sure why people insist on arguing from these poor positions and then are ignorant of the rational processes to boot.

I can only guess it is because a lot of posters really are not that educated at the end of the day. They perhaps read a wiki snippet or did some mundane searching rather than actual schooling on philosophy, logic and so forth.

Quite strange.

[IIamaKing]

WE dont build roads and armies with good grades.

[Torto]

I haven't followed this thread, but I'm guessing your talking about people calling it an invalid comparison.

If you disagree I'm curious why. Can you explain how money and grades function the same? I get the idea that money is reward for effort, but given that an economy functions drastically different to the assignment of grades, I can't wrap my head around them being comparable here.

Money and grades are irrelevant, we could say apples and oranges. The point is you are rewarded for you effort, whether it be grades, gratuities, ice cream, beer, sex whatever. The actual reward is irrelevant, but people are arguing that there is no hypocrisy because the rewards are different. And that is all they can argue because the real point of that videos exercise hits close to the bone for those students. Very uncomfortable for the left, very funny for the rest of us.