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    Who were the ancient Egyptians? Mummy DNA reveals surprising clues

    Source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2...ptians/8572076



    Mummies from ancient Egypt have revealed another secret — some of them share very little of the sub-Saharan African ancestry that dominates the genetic heritage of modern Egyptians.

    The discovery, published today in Nature Communications, suggests the African heritage evident in modern Egyptian populations may have been the result of the slave trade down the Nile in the past 1,500 years.


    Researchers used modern genetic analysis techniques to study the genomes of 93 mummies that lived between 1300 BC — the late New Kingdom Period — and around 30 BC during the time of the Romans.

    The mummies were buried at Abusir el-Meleq, which was an important religious and trading centre.

    "One of the questions that motivated us for our study is trying to find out when Egypt was conquered by the Greeks or Alexander the Great or by the Nubians or by the Romans, and did that actually have an impact on the population?" said archaeogeneticist Professor Johannes Krause, from the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Germany.

    It's a question that is difficult to answer using artefacts and historical records, so Professor Krause and his colleagues decided to look in preserved genetic material.

    They took samples of biological material from the bones and teeth of the mummies, and extracted the DNA using sequencing techniques that also allow them to verify the genetic material was indeed ancient, and not the result of modern contamination.

    "Instead of finding that ancient Egyptians were more African, we actually found them to be almost zero or much less sub-Saharan African than the population that live in Egypt today," he said

    "They have these closest genetic links to the fertile crescent and the eastern populations of what's now Israel, but if they came from there or if they just evolved with gene flow all the time in this region, we cannot really say."

    They also saw a clear genetic continuity right across the 1300-year time period of the studied mummies, despite the fact that over that time course Egypt was invaded by the Greeks, the Romans and Nubians.

    "We don't really see that there is a lot of genetic turnover when all those foreign invaders came, so they don't seem to have an impact on the normal population of Egypt," Professor Krause said.

    "It turns around some of the assumptions that people had on Egyptians' history."

    And yet, at some point in the past 1,500 years, there has been a major addition of sub-Saharan genetic material — largely West-African Yoruba — into Egypt's population.

    Unfortunately, there isn't much archaeological information from Egypt that covers this medieval period, Professor Strause said.

    "In fact, we have sometimes better historical records from the Roman or the ancient Egyptian time than we have from the medieval time in Egypt," he said.

    But there is evidence of an active slave trade that reached its peak in the 19th century, and which was responsible for the transportation of millions of slaves from sub-Saharan Africa to Northern Africa and Egypt.
    Modern techniques key to unravelling the past

    Even though some of the earliest work on ancient DNA was done using Egyptian mummies, Professor Krause said this is first time their genetic material has been analysed using such modern techniques.

    Previous attempts to do this sort of research were thwarted by contaminated samples, and the difficulties in extracting viable DNA from soft tissue such as muscles.

    "What we show in our paper is that soft tissue is extremely bad, so you should not look at soft tissue, you should actually look at bones and teeth; they are much better preserved in ancient mummies," he said.

    As the genetic material comes from just one site in Middle Egypt, the researchers said the study may not be representative for all of ancient Egyptians.

    But it paves the way for genetic analysis of more and older mummies, which will hopefully shed more light on their origins, said Professor Krause.
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    But we woz kingz?
    I think that much was general consensus among the historians, only not long ago they were pressured to give Nubians credit as old faraos.

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    We wuz kangs 'n shiet

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    Everything (blood lines) from thousands of years ago has been diluted. Comparing modern Egyptians to those Egyptians is foolish. Not sure what they were expecting? People didn't move around as much if at all back then.

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    Of course.

    "They have these closest genetic links to the fertile crescent and the eastern populations of what's now Israel.."

    Civilization originated from the middle east in the Fertile Crescent, where mankind originated from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Of course.

    "They have these closest genetic links to the fertile crescent and the eastern populations of what's now Israel.."

    Civilization originated from the middle east in the Fertile Crescent, where mankind originated from.
    And the royals just bred with each other and kept things pure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smrund View Post
    And the royals just bred with each other and kept things pure.
    I am sure there was some of that going on. But if you trace the spread of Civilizations across the globe, it seems to have branched out from the Fertile Crescent as the starting point. The oldest large civilizations are from that region. Even the great Chinese/ India civilizations, started up after they did. There is evidence of some very ancient civilizations which left a form of writing in Greece, which date back to about 7000 b.c. But the oldest form of written symbols ( not tablets ) come from the Fertile Crescent region which are thought to be from 9000 b.c.

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    If it is the medieval period that the Egyptians became Africanised, then there is a good case for it coming via the treaty that the Muslim conquerors made with the Nubian Christians to the south.

    Shortly after the Muslims invaded and conquered Egpyt, they headed south, trying to take over the Nubian kingdom of Makuria, which was a Christian nation at the time. They tried twice, only to be defeated both times, one of the few defeats that they suffered in their expansion.

    After the defeats, they signed a treaty with Makuria that last near 800 years in which the Nubians sent good south, including large numbers of slaves, and in return received trade from the north. It might have been from all of those slaves that they got Africanised.

    Sadly, Makuria eventually succumbed to both internal and external Islamic pressure and what was a thriving, prosperous culture vanished into history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    If it is the medieval period that the Egyptians became Africanised, then there is a good case for it coming via the treaty that the Muslim conquerors made with the Nubian Christians to the south.

    Shortly after the Muslims invaded and conquered Egpyt, they headed south, trying to take over the Nubian kingdom of Makuria, which was a Christian nation at the time. They tried twice, only to be defeated both times, one of the few defeats that they suffered in their expansion.

    After the defeats, they signed a treaty with Makuria that last near 800 years in which the Nubians sent good south, including large numbers of slaves, and in return received trade from the north. It might have been from all of those slaves that they got Africanised.

    Sadly, Makuria eventually succumbed to both internal and external Islamic pressure and what was a thriving, prosperous culture vanished into history.
    Did you miss this part of the thread title, Mummies from ancient Egypt ? There were no Christians or Muslims during that time period.

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    So much fo' dem kangz n sheeit.

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    tfw you aren't african after all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Did you miss this part of the thread title, Mummies from ancient Egypt ? There were no Christians or Muslims during that time period.
    Did you miss the part where they said it looked like Egyptians picked up African heritage in the medieval period? Ie, when the Muslims and Christians were around.

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    So with the realization of Egypt not being an African civilization, we wonder if there even has been a developed African civilization at all?

    I dong say thus to be unpleasent, I genuinely wonder what else there ever was in Africa that developed beyond a small village with huts and spears.

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    We wuz kangs 'n shiet
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    But we woz kingz?
    Uh... doesn't that refer to African heritage, not Egyptian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Did you miss this part of the thread title, Mummies from ancient Egypt ? There were no Christians or Muslims during that time period.
    Maybe you should read beyond the title.
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    I never understand the public obsession with racially classifying ancient Egyptians. It's strange

    And honestly, seems folly to assume the people who occupied a culture that spanned 3,000 years would have not been subject to contestant mixing with foreign cultures

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Uh... doesn't that refer to African heritage, not Egyptian?


    Dude, black people were the original Egyptians, Jews, 15th century Europeans and Aztecs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakloh View Post
    Dude, black people were the original Egyptians, Jews, 15th century Europeans and Aztecs.
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