....Unbalance

[zimboombafoo]

I thought blizz would have learned their lesson from the disasters of MoP and WoD pvp, but I guess not. I play casters..Demo/Afflock and Spriest. I lose most arena matches due to being globaled down in 3 seconds by melee. I barely even have time to put up dots or cast spells. I can't survive unless I have a healer (and even then). Melee is able to train us with leaps, grips and jumps. Why should I play a caster in PvP when classes like Warriors, Dk's, Dh's and hunters are able to just destroy me and heal themselves up indefinitely? So frustrating...I mean BM hunters can just put their pets on you and run around pillars as you die...ridiculous.

[Haywire5714]

If blizzard based their class tuning on the forum posts of every average pvpers experiences in pvp that would cause big ramifications at the top level. The average player (and typical forum poster) loses in pvp for the most part because of their lack of skill not because their class is necessarily weaker than the others, which makes balancing the game around their feedback completely impossible.

Now that's not to say that some classes/comps aren't at a disadvantage against others, which very well might have been what you experienced; but using that experience to say that casters are inherently weaker than melee isn't very good (accurate) feedback. There are many caster comps that do well against melee and vice versa, you just have to play the right comps.

With that said the main problem with pvp right now is how comp dependent it is, and no amount of balancing is going to change that because that problem lies in the gameplay. For it to be possible to win difficult match ups, there needs to be more options in the gameplay. There needs to be multiple ways to deal with each situation and that does not mean giving every class the ability to do everything (MoP pvp). This imo is where legion is heavily lacking; in an arena match quite often you'll find yourself without meaningful ways to contribute outside of just doing damage. It's this lack of ways to contribute and the low skill ceiling (passive mitigation, abilities with no counterplay, simple cc setups, autobubble, huge burst abilities with long cooldowns) that makes the game so comp dependent and that's the main thing I would like to see changed.

[Ealyssa]

I play casters..Demo/Afflock and Spriest. I lose most arena matches.

Way too big, can't bait with that sorry.

[klozor]

its just about blizzards OP turning cycles that exists since season 1. If you wait long enough your current experience will change and you will be more OP. anyways i know of many locks that have issues with melee, so you are not alone.

[Deleted]

It's a skill and team problem that you die as lock and spriest. Because those 2 specs are the ones that gives us the most problem in arena. I really dislike fighting affli+spriest+healer in 3v3. It's actually unreal how much defensives and damage they have.

[Rehija]

If blizzard based their class tuning on the forum posts of every average pvpers experiences

But they do. The ones who cry the loudest win.

[Caolela]

If blizzard based their class tuning on the forum posts of every average pvpers experiences in pvp that would cause big ramifications at the top level. The average player (and typical forum poster) loses in pvp for the most part because of their lack of skill not because their class is necessarily weaker than the others, which makes balancing the game around their feedback completely impossible.

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Yes, they all need moar SKILLZ! I tell you! They are only talking from their asses unless they are in the top...ummm...50?.. R1s!!

There is NO "unbalance". THEY JUST LACK SKILLZ1!

[Deleted]

Just watching Tournament right now and i dont see any problem in these classes

[Caolela]

Just watching Tournament right now and i dont see any problem in these classes

That's because accomplished players are much better at working around the various strengths and weaknesses (what some might call imbalance) of the various specs than 90+% of other players, or they just don't run certain specs/comps in tourneys.

[Tommi]

I thought blizz would have learned their lesson from the disasters of MoP and WoD pvp, but I guess not. I play casters..Demo/Afflock and Spriest. I lose most arena matches due to being globaled down in 3 seconds by melee. I barely even have time to put up dots or cast spells. I can't survive unless I have a healer (and even then). Melee is able to train us with leaps, grips and jumps. Why should I play a caster in PvP when classes like Warriors, Dk's, Dh's and hunters are able to just destroy me and heal themselves up indefinitely? So frustrating...I mean BM hunters can just put their pets on you and run around pillars as you die...ridiculous.

One word: Casterclysm.. It's meleegion now!!

[Riistov]

. I play casters..Demo/Afflock and Spriest.

Stopped reading your complaints after I read this. So you're telling me there is an issue with the too two classes on the ladder right now?

It couldn't be you though, right?

[Sunlighthell]

As of now main problem is: they nerf already nerfed classes/specs - affliction, they buff already op classes/specs - arms warriors. New affliction nerf potentially gamebreaking because under pressure without AA you can't spread your dots efficently. Warriors buff is retarded completely, gl trying to climp through all those turbo comps with arms and enhs buffs. You will die in 1 stun under lust with sharpen blade as warlock probably only from warrior.

[Daan]

PvE changes also affect PvP (even with templates), so the buffs for Arms Warri (due to the DoS nerf) make one of the strongest 3v3 dps specs even more stronger.

[Hooliganz]

PVE interferes with PVP as always

[Cempa]

That's why you isolate the part of the game that is played by 1% -tournament- balance wise from the rest of WoW. Make 3v3 a separate game ...