Say Trump gets Impeached, does anything REALLY change?

[Draco-Onis]

Trump won't be. But that is likely the best course for most people that are anti-Trump. Because he is Trump he will constantly be the biggest road block for him ever getting anything done. His VP, unlike Trump, that would take over actually knows how to work within government, builds relationships, and would get out of his own way when it is best for what he wants to get done. He would also fallow MOST of the same lines of thought. He just wouldn't bother with the ego flexing bullshit.

I can say with some confidence that Trump would most likely burn the country to the ground before giving up the presidency. He is still the president he can do plenty of damage out of spite, it is better as you say for him to stay in office. The best part of Trump serving out 4 years as a lame duck is that he will sink the republican party along with him as they try to cover and defend his every mistake.

[BrerBear]

But can one obstruct justice if they were innocent?

Yes, of course. This is obvious.
The President is not judge, jury, and executioner. He doesn't get to declare himself innocent of whatever is being investigated, the judicial system does.
Just as you can get in trouble for providing false information to law enforcement even if you didn't commit the crime they were investigating.

You guys realize Bill Clinton was impeached on perjury and obstruction of justice on a sexual harassment lawsuit, even though the Independent Counsel was created to investigate the Whitewater land deal, right?

[Kujako]

Yes, of course. This is obvious.
The President is not judge, jury, and executioner. He doesn't get to declare himself innocent of whatever is being investigated, the judicial system does.
Just as you can get in trouble for providing false information to law enforcement even if you didn't commit the crime they were investigating.

You guys realize Bill Clinton was impeached on perjury and obstruction of justice on a sexual harassment lawsuit, even though the Independent Counsel was created to investigate the Whitewater land deal, right?

well.. at least in theory, he could be able to pardon himself. Nixon considered doing that, but it's kind of tricky and may not hold up. Would end up before the supreme court I would expect, since it comes down to a question of constitutional powers.

[Shadowferal]

Those of us who voted for the president would see it for what it is: a coup by poor losers.

Maybe you should see Trump for what he is; a Putin puppet who was shitting all over the US Constitution.
But then again, maybe that's what you wanted. If that's the case then gtfo of my country and go to Russia.

[Skroe]

Those of us who voted for the president would see it for what it is: a coup by poor losers.

We're a nation of laws. The sore losers would be the Trumpkin's crying "coup".

Of course, you people have so defiled your American principles in your Puntinista-like worship of your Troll Avatar President and have spent so much energy defending his ridiculous Generalissimo act, that it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest that you'd debase one more value - that we're a country of laws not men.

Every moment you people defend Trump in the manner which you are, you further betray principles that should be important to you.

Bet maybe they aren't. Maybe America was what it was despite people like you, not because of. Maybe those values never mattered to you.

[Independent voter]

We'd get Pense as president, he seems pretty competent so he could win a second election as long as the economy stays good.

[Zarc]

But can one obstruct justice if they were innocent? Besides, Trump asked Comey one single time about Flynn and then never followed up on it. Never took any further actions. The other conversations were just about telling the public he wasn't under investigation which was true.

He fired Comey because he wanted to stop the investigation regarding Russia. He said that on national TV. That's crystal clear obstruction of justice. Whether Trump is found to be guilty of anything as a result of that investigation is irrelevant to it being obstruction of justice. Especially since the investigation is not into him personally, but into his campaign (meaning it's about a whole bunch of people, including Trump but also Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, Jeff Sessions, etc).

[Sky High]

He fired Comey because he wanted to stop the investigation regarding Russia. He said that on national TV. That's crystal clear obstruction of justice. Whether Trump is found to be guilty of anything as a result of that investigation is irrelevant to it being obstruction of justice. Especially since the investigation is not into him personally, but into his campaign (meaning it's about a whole bunch of people, including Trump but also Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, Jeff Sessions, etc).

He knows full well that Trump dug this hole for himself because it's been explained to him ad-nasium. He just can't keep his lil shtick up if he dared to acknowledge that.

[Deleted]

Get Trump out, so we can get mr. Electro in.

[Deletedaccount1]

He fired Comey because he wanted to stop the investigation regarding Russia. He said that on national TV. That's crystal clear obstruction of justice. Whether Trump is found to be guilty of anything as a result of that investigation is irrelevant to it being obstruction of justice. Especially since the investigation is not into him personally, but into his campaign (meaning it's about a whole bunch of people, including Trump but also Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, Jeff Sessions, etc).

When did he say that?

[PosPosPos]

Changing from one evil entity to another evil entity doesn't change anything at it's core, so ya, nothing really changes.

[haxartus]

Nobody is getting impeached.
In the adult world, once you do something, you get to experience the consequences. There is no "oh, sorry, we made a mistake". The world doesn't work like this.
You voted for the current president, you will have him as president for the next 4 years. Then... maybe think a little more before voting next time.

[Karfal]

Well pence is a far right Christian conservative. So yes things would change. Instead of some fairly moderate and liberal things getting done, as well as some far right things.

Expect only far right Christian conservative policies with pence. For example gays would need to be worried about certain laws with pence.

[Ryme]

It'll be a different but very defined shade of shit, opposed to the unknowable and ever shifting shade that is Trump.

[Allybeboba]

Yes, of course. This is obvious.
The President is not judge, jury, and executioner. He doesn't get to declare himself innocent of whatever is being investigated, the judicial system does.
Just as you can get in trouble for providing false information to law enforcement even if you didn't commit the crime they were investigating.

You guys realize Bill Clinton was impeached on perjury and obstruction of justice on a sexual harassment lawsuit, even though the Independent Counsel was created to investigate the Whitewater land deal, right?

That is correct. Even if the PotUS is impeached, it doesn't necessarily mean they will be removed. That much has already been proven within recent memory.
It is going to be a long long 3.5 years though.
Have a wonderful Father's Day everyone.

[Mormolyce]

Pence would be President. He might even push a MORE conservative agenda. The whole Russia thing is all fine and dandy, but does this really affect anyone or the policies and big issues people are worried about for the average American?

Pence is a nobody, and despite his lip service to conservatism he'd never have the balls to put most of it into practice.

Especially not in the rump end of a Presidency mired in scandal that's long since exhausted all of its political capital.

And if Trump was really impeached, it wouldn't matter who took the reins, the party would roll over and show its belly for the remainder of the term. You can't push any agenda with that level of illegitimacy hanging over your head.

Trump is a narcissistic moron who doesn't know how politics works. Any politician knows that you need credibility to push an agenda, and trying to do anything divisive in such an environment is suicidal.

[unfilteredJW]

Nobody is getting impeached.
In the adult world, once you do something, you get to experience the consequences. There is no "oh, sorry, we made a mistake". The world doesn't work like this.
You voted for the current president, you will have him as president for the next 4 years. Then... maybe think a little more before voting next time.

Nope.

He won the electoral college. The majority didn't vote for him. This has been shown soooooo many times now.

[Mormolyce]

Nobody is getting impeached.
In the adult world, once you do something, you get to experience the consequences. There is no "oh, sorry, we made a mistake". The world doesn't work like this.
You voted for the current president, you will have him as president for the next 4 years. Then... maybe think a little more before voting next time.

You are probably correct in one respect: if a President finds out he is likely to be impeached, any sane person would quit before the hammer falls like Nixon did. And probably hope for a Presidential pardon too. Although this is Trump we're talking about here, it is possible he's retarded enough to stay in the job after his allies turn against him.

Also I don't know why you'd talk about the real world being all about consequences while talking about Trump. That man is like a life without consequences in human form. That's hereditary wealth for you.

Consequences are for the poor. For the rich and powerful, there's heaps of golden parachutes waiting in the aisles.

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When did he say that?

Yes, to be fair it was Russian national TV. Kek.

[Powerogue]

They're all the same. They just want to pass as many bills that they can benefit from while undoing everything that Obama did. On the surface things will look better because Pence won't be tweeting every thought he has, but behind the scenes nothing will be different.

I mean if the worst case scenario is someone exactly as incompetent and backwards, but less vocal about it and thus not as embarrassing to foreign powers, I'll take it.

[Deleted]

When did he say that?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-investigation