America Is Now a ‘Second Tier’ Country

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This thread: Americans who do not understand the difference between 'social' and 'socialism'. Not much more to say.

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I would love me a gun in fairness, I think somewhere like Texas would suit me better though

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If you think the US health system sucks you haven't been to the UK

The irony in your statement amuses me. I'm going to assume your a conservative voter based on my general perception (I might be wrong) but you can't moan about our NHS then vote for a government who would love nothing more than to downscale it and move it into the private sphere.

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http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/current_spending

The US spends just under $1 trillion on education. It spends more on education than defense, which totals $834 billion, keeping in mind, with about $200 billion of that being the Department of Veterans Affairs (aka Veterans healthcare).

You will note we spend $1.5 trillion on Health Care (outside of the VA) and $1.5 trillion n Pensions.

Oh that's right... because as a Federal state, the US has Federal, State and Local taxation, and Federal, state and local budget, and Education, as you can see by the chart, is almost entirely a State and Local affair.

Just like infrastructure (Transportation).

All in all




The US provides an enormous amount for it's people. In fact, actual military matters, about $600 billion, constitutes 8.5% of all government spending. And the actual 'war" budget, the Oversease Contingency Operations Budget, comes in at $58.8 billion, or 0.84% of government spending.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R44519.pdf




But you know all this, Putinista, because we've had this conversation 37 times.

How can a country spend so much money on a healthcare and still come out with an absolute shitheap of a system

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How can a country spend so much money on a healthcare and still come out with an absolute shitheap of a system

It's unfair really to compare their system to the European system. We can employ economies of scale on the purchase of drugs etc so we get more fundamentally for what we spend. Their medical research is still top notch and if they ever move to a single payer system they would quickly become one of the best in the world but they have too many rednecks who would rather die than vote for something "socialist".

[Wyrt]

Switzerland, Australia, and the UK are all pretty center countries. They're not left wing and sure as fuck aren't socialist.

[Spectral]

Anyone bother to go look at their criteria and methods? While extreme differences between high and low ratings are basically just because correlates of GDP, the finer-grained analysis at the top could just as easily be listed as "number of leftish policies implemented" as "Social Progress".

That said, Iceland's a nice place - OK, what am I supposed to do with that information? I'm not at all surprised by it and I don't dispute, but I hardly think it provides a model for other nations.

My final thought on the list of top countries is that this is basically just a proxy for how homogeneously Northern European a place is. I bet heavily ethnically Scandinavian portions of Minnesota score well too.

[Mittens]

And what are you basing that one? This is not the only list the US is behind west & north Euro countries on quality of life.
And to be fair, segregation should put the US even lower, I know it happens at proms in some racist states, but where else?

It makes the whole tolerance and inclusion part quite useless.

[Noomz]

That organization that goes around rating countries based on how socialist the country is has released another list, the usual culprits are on it. It's a US based organization that I believe wants to promote more socialism in the US.

Social progress index has nothing what so ever to do with socialism. Social and socialism aren't related.

Denmark is right-leaning.
Norway is ruled by conservatives on the right.
Iceland is ruled by a coalition between 2 rightwing parties and a center one.
Finland is ruled by a coalition of of mostly center-right parties and one center-left party.

Socialism you say...?

[Spectral]

And what are you basing that one? This is not the only list the US is behind west & north Euro countries on quality of life.
And to be fair, segregation should put the US even lower, I know it happens at proms in some racist states, but where else?

The parts of the United States that are as segregated as Iceland are generally pretty nice. They're highly egalitarian in terms of both incomes and attitudes, have very low crime rates, very low unemployment rates, and very high education rates.

The irony of touting how nice Northern Europe is while also bitching that the United States doesn't have enough Mexicans mixed in with our villainous whites cannot be overstated.

[GrinningMan]

How can a country spend so much money on a healthcare and still come out with an absolute shitheap of a system

Carrying and subsidizing leeches, of course!

Not literal leeches, mind you. Just the ones that need someone else's money to function properly.

[Nero Stormchester]

US doesn't lead in anything , besides obesity.

[PickleballAce]

US doesn't lead in anything , besides obesity.

#1 in Moon Landings!

[Damajin]

Its cute you think you're paying for our protection.

It's cute that you think we're not. There's no allied country in the world who isn't receiving our generosity in that regard.

[JohnBrown1917]

It's cute that you think we're not. There's no allied country in the world who isn't receiving our generosity in that regard.

Holy hell, your delusional lol. Generosity? really?

[Allybeboba]

It makes one wonder if it wasn't for the inventiness of America that all those other countries would be so high.
Most of thing they have today and they take for granted each and every day are because of American inventions.

[Spectral]

US doesn't lead in anything , besides obesity.

Top-tier universities, and by a long ways.

[JohnBrown1917]

It makes the whole tolerance and inclusion part quite useless.

Sure, but the US is already low on that list, the point of it being below all those other countries is already made.

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If we're at the bottom of any "socialist" metric, I'd call that a fucking win for America. Keep your Marxist, post-modern ideas over there.

It has nothing to do with socialism.

[Damajin]

Holy hell, your delusional lol. Generosity? really?

Yeah, that's what it boils down to at the citizen level, at the governmental/industry level it's all profit chasing of course. But by all means, let us cut our defense spending in half or more, dissolve NATO and pull back our missile shields and we'll see how long Europe and elsewhere can maintain their generous social programs with their ragtag Boy Scout military.

[JohnBrown1917]

Switzerland, Australia, and the UK are all pretty center countries. They're not left wing and sure as fuck aren't socialist.

The Netherlands and German also got center coalitions(although the Netherlands will probably move to the center right), France also just elected a rigth wing president who now has an overwhelming majority.

[Allybeboba]

The parts of the United States that are as segregated as Iceland are generally pretty nice. They're highly egalitarian in terms of both incomes and attitudes, have very low crime rates, very low unemployment rates, and very high education rates.

The irony of touting how nice Northern Europe is while also bitching that the United States doesn't have enough Mexicans mixed in with our villainous whites cannot be overstated.

Some of the subdivision/neighborhoods in the inner cities are nice too. Ones like Brentwood.