America peaked in the 50's

[Mojo03]

All I know is as I get older I increasingly want out of this country.

[TheImperios]

Yep, you are going down. No empire rules forever.

[Kaleredar]

People in the 50's looked with great anticipation towards the future but todays Americans doesn't do that because they know that their future is shit.

Maybe because people are looking to the past instead of the future?

[Deletedaccount1]

People in the 50's looked with great anticipation towards the future but todays Americans doesn't do that because they know that their future is shit.

Who thinks this? How do you know this? You're aware that during the 50s, the US began facing the prospect of global armageddon with another nuclear superpower right?

[Amalaric]

Maybe because people are looking to the past instead of the future?

People are looking to the past because the past is better than they expect the future to ever be.

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Who thinks this? How do you know this? You're aware that during the 50s, the US began facing the prospect of global armageddon with another nuclear superpower right?

I think that some Americans were very afraid of nuclear war but the majority just shrugged it off and continued with their lives.

[Kaleredar]

People are looking to the past because the past is better than they expect the future to ever be.

You can't live in the past

[Amalaric]

You can't live in the past

And yet many people do.

[Zephyr Storm]

Oh look, another thread on MMO-C that is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt at bashing America. What a shocker! /rolleyes

While America may not be the greatest in all regards nowadays, it's still an amazing country with all kinds of things available to its citizenry. Anyone thinking otherwise is either fucking ignorant or just straight up trolling.

[yetgdhfgh]

Reasons why America peaked in the 50s was

1. America was unharmed from WW2 and had the most of Europe in its back pocket with war debt and selling food and supplies to help rebuild Europe made the US even richer.
2. Oil was dirt cheap and it wasnt until the 70s when OPEC flexed its muscle that was when America learnt the days of cheap oil was over.
3. China was a backward isolated communist country but now its a country with over a billion wage slaves that can out manufacture and do it way more cheaper than the US ever could.
4. There was no such thing as the Internet to help close brick and mortar stores like today.

America never went socialist like Europe cause it didnt need to but now its finding out that the days of jobs for everyone is long gone and it may have to think its strategy over wealth redistribution cause it will get to a point where the people will have had enough and thats when you will see a revolution!

[Zmaniac17]

America peaked in the 50's as an AAAA grade country, dropping down to AAA grade in the 70's and further down to AA in the 90's... I consider now America to be an A grade country with prediction that it will drop down to B grade sometime during the 2030's.

So what are your thoughts? Am I being full of bullshit or do you agree with me?

A's are not a metric. There is no organization that I am aware of that grades countries with A's or B's. If you want an answer you need a metric. Then you can measure and compare. Otherwise it's just a bunch of people, most of which weren't alive in the 1950's, expressing their opinion based on their likely flawed memory of U.S. history from high school. Also you need to specify if you are asking in absolute terms or relative terms. But, since the question is so broad, I doubt you'll find a satisfying answer even with a lot of study.

[Kaleredar]

And yet many people do.

And that's the problem, as I previously stated.

[Amalaric]

Oh look, another thread on MMO-C that is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt at bashing America. What a shocker! /rolleyes

While America may not be the greatest in all regards nowadays, it's still an amazing country with all kinds of things available to its citizenry. Anyone thinking otherwise is either fucking ignorant or just straight up trolling.

Why shouldn't America be as great as it was in the past? If that past is the 80's, 70's, 60's or the 50's really doesn't matter so why settle for 'America is still greater than those countries we fought'? Why settle for being good when you can be great?

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A's are not a metric. There is no organization that I am aware of that grades countries with A's or B's. If you want an answer you need a metric. Then you can measure and compare. Otherwise it's just a bunch of people, most of which weren't alive in the 1950's, expressing their opinion based on their likely flawed memory of U.S. history from high school. Also you need to specify if you are asking in absolute terms or relative terms. But, since the question is so broad, I doubt you'll find a satisfying answer even with a lot of study.

This link tells you otherwise but credit rating doesn't give the whole picture but it does give a good part of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._credit_rating

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Another thread about pissing on the United States that seems to be A-OK. Anyone with half a brain knows until its over over as in America is something you only read about in history books can one really say where it peaks and doesn't peak. War of 1812 when Britain burned the White House to the ground it would have been easy to say and here is the beginning of the end. I mean during the civil war when the south was invading successfully you could have concluded this is the end. The great depression would have been a pretty big down turn on the charts where one could have concluded its over. The first months of the US entering of WW2 when the axis was advancing on all fronts again would have been an easy time to say its over.

Then let us talk about when countries in Europe peaked. Did most of you peak around the first world war for others when most world wide empires collapsed. Then for the last ones standing around world war 2 when the last great European empires collapsed? But then again the game isn't over for them either. History for all nations is a trend of ups and downs until its really done all the way. I mean Germany had 2 pretty good times you could have written them completely off but here they are as a world leader. Like we can say the Soviet Union peaked in the late 1970s early 1980s because it head a pretty big fall off in the 1990s and is now no longer a nation.

End of the day you cannot know anything until its over, over, over, and dead and over. Nations can recover from the pits of utter destruction or collapse during a golden age.

[Deleted]

America has no middleclass, eather you are wealthy or poor.

[Wikiy]

This link tells you otherwise but credit rating doesn't give the whole picture but it does give a good part of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._credit_rating

The credit rating is a metric for how good a country is for doing business in it and literally nothing else. You can't determine when a country peaks based on that alone.

[Teraparte]

I love the United States. Hate on my country all y'all want, it's whatever. Sometimes it pisses me off too. I mean majorly pisses me off. So mad at America right now. I love her, though. Anyway, gotta love them American footprints on the moon. Now watch someone be like "Operation paperclip!" and foreigners carried you all. HA! Damn right. A good empire not only secures natural resources, but great minds as well. Hey, reader, I am not done with you. You will finish this post on American greatness. Keep reading. Okay where was I? Yes, empire, which is what we are. I kinda agree with Niall Ferguson on it. Google that stuff. Haters sitting up there on Windows computers, with iPhones, playing WoW, Intel processors, knowing our politicians. I bet half you non-Americans can hum our national anthem, or at least recognize it. Probably even know who George Washington and Thomas Jefferson is. The reason for that is not so much because most folks are formally educated or enlightened, but they know for the same reason some illiterate 3rd world villager knows a lot about the USA, because the USA dominates. My nation is Alpha AF. The rest of you guys are good too. I respect Canada, Australia, England and others, but, really, you guys are kinda like sidekicks and the USA is a superhero. We're like Dobermans, German Shepherds, Pit Bulls... y'all are like Pugs and poodles. It's okay. Pugs are cute. When all is said and done, even if my great nation fell today, we'd still be counted among the great empires of Greece, Rome, Spain, and England. Just like the Black Americans rose from the plantation to become army generals, millionaires, astronauts and regardless of what one thinks of his politics, even the damn POTUS, the USA rose from the swamp of Jamestown to one of the mightiest nations to have ever existed.


^^Kinda just poking fun, really. I see the West as a family of nations. That's why we have each other's back, like brothers and sisters. Really, think about it. Say Australia came under heavy attack. Think the USA would just sit by? Nah, we'd help fight your enemy off. Same for England, Canada, etc. America does have its problems. Healthcare here is a disaster, prison is a damn business, lotsa people still cling to religion as other places in the West are growing out of it, etc.

[Amalaric]

I love the United States. Hate on my country all y'all want, it's whatever. Sometimes it pisses me off too. I mean majorly pisses me off. So mad at America right now. I love her, though. Anyway, gotta love them American footprints on the moon. Now watch someone be like "Operation paperclip!" and foreigners carried you all. HA! Damn right. A good empire not only secures natural resources, but great minds as well. Hey, reader, I am not done with you. You will finish this post on American greatness. Keep reading. Okay where was I? Yes, empire, which is what we are. I kinda agree with Niall Ferguson on it. Google that stuff. Haters sitting up there on Windows computers, with iPhones, playing WoW, Intel processors, knowing our politicians. I bet half you non-Americans can hum our national anthem, or at least recognize it. Probably even know who George Washington and Thomas Jefferson is. The reason for that is not so much because most folks are formally educated or enlightened, but they know for the same reason some illiterate 3rd world villager knows a lot about the USA, because the USA dominates. My nation is Alpha AF. The rest of you guys are good too. I respect Canada, Australia, England and others, but, really, you guys are kinda like sidekicks and the USA is a superhero. We're like Dobermans, German Shepherds, Pit Bulls... y'all are like Pugs and poodles. It's okay. Pugs are cute. When all is said and done, even if my great nation fell today, we'd still be counted among the great empires of Greece, Rome, Spain, and England. Just like the Black Americans rose from the plantation to become army generals, millionaires, astronauts and regardless of what one thinks of his politics, even the damn POTUS, the USA rose from the swamp of Jamestown to one of the mightiest nations to have ever existed.


^^Kinda just poking fun, really. I see the West as a family of nations. That's why we have each other's back, like brothers and sisters. Really, think about it. Say Australia came under heavy attack. Think the USA would just sit by? Nah, we'd help fight your enemy off. Same for England, Canada, etc. America does have its problems. Healthcare here is a disaster, prison is a damn business, lotsa people still cling to religion as other places in the West are growing out of it, etc.

I think that it's more like that favourite uncle who got a little too fond of the bottle and now you are trying to get him to shape up.

[Taso]

Reasons why America peaked in the 50s was

1. America was unharmed from WW2 and had the most of Europe in its back pocket with war debt and selling food and supplies to help rebuild Europe made the US even richer.
2. Oil was dirt cheap and it wasnt until the 70s when OPEC flexed its muscle that was when America learnt the days of cheap oil was over.
3. China was a backward isolated communist country but now its a country with over a billion wage slaves that can out manufacture and do it way more cheaper than the US ever could.
4. There was no such thing as the Internet to help close brick and mortar stores like today.

America never went socialist like Europe cause it didnt need to but now its finding out that the days of jobs for everyone is long gone and it may have to think its strategy over wealth redistribution cause it will get to a point where the people will have had enough and thats when you will see a revolution!

Preaching for the doom and gloom I see. Those jobs transferred to a different task. We still need electricians, plumbers, garbage men and other services that are manual. Someone needs to clean the sewers, someone has to specialize in taking care of people's mouths and teeth. Heck the people who first installed air conditioners are retiring thus a demand for them is opening up and guess what you do not need college only a vocational school.
However we could always install a robot tax and slow technology so people can still have manufacturing jobs. Just like people transferred from arm factories to civilian factories after ww2 we can do the same now.

[Spectral]

I think it'd be hard to not notice the rising tide of moral degeneracy in the United States - huge percentages of kids are born out of wedlock, people who do have the means to save money choose to squander nearly all of it (the median savings rate is shockingly low), people are fat, diseased, and depressed at absurd rates. The median American is presently coasting by on a combination of past successes and the continued excellence of a small subset of the country that produces the majority of innovation.

America has no middleclass, eather you are wealthy or poor.

The income distribution is not particularly bifurcated. You're just wrong.

[Shadowferal]

When PACs and lobbyist orgs became legitimized in the mid 70s, pay-to-play politics became the norm in the ensuing years. If we could get rid of that, and all that money flowing into elections, and finally get away from the fucked up business-oriented government, (ie. selling the office), and return to how things were, a people-oriented government, it would be a massive step in a far better direction. A government by the people, for the people.