Legion - Assassination Discussion

[Halobob87]

Lol 7.2.5 sin play 100 times better then 7.2 or 7.1.5 sin. AP was cancer and is gone for good.

[Won7on]

Your post was a wordy mess that left wide open opportunities for the devs to give feely, class fantasy non-answer answers or yes/no responses. Don't be salty because you were called out for it.

The questions Stjern posted were collected from the community, not just discord. Overall, rogues are not in a bad spot, raw numbers or play wise, compared with other classes, which can account for why some classes got wall-o-text replies and rogues didn't. The grappling hook question was a legitimate question that comes up a lot in the Outlaw community, and we got a valid answer even if we didn't like it (that the choice will continue to be GH vs Acro, for now).

"The rogues had nothing, prompting me..." We get it, you're a hero. Pat on the back buddy.

You may not like TB, or the way 7.2.5 sin plays, but they fixed some of the issues with the spec. Sin doesn't "suck balls," you just don't like it. So yeah, you'll get shit for your opinion. This is the Internet, that's what happens here. People are allowed to express their opinions, but that doesn't protect them from being told by others' opinions that they suck.

Maybe you should have made a better post then, buddy. :^)

[craneee]

Lol 7.2.5 sin play 100 times better then 7.2 or 7.1.5 sin. AP was cancer and is gone for good.

Lol seriously no one here have access to simulation craft? Assassination Rogue is the second worst class in the game, just losing to dkfrost. Its plain data, cant argue with that. Just gear up 4pc t20 anda switch to sub, Sin is dead for good, look at simcraft rank anda warcraftlog itens, all Sins are using 905 gear instead of ToS gear, so fucked up loot.

[Deleted]

Lol seriously no one here have access to simulation craft? Assassination Rogue is the second worst class in the game, just losing to dkfrost. Its plain data, cant argue with that. Just gear up 4pc t20 anda switch to sub, Sin is dead for good, look at simcraft rank anda warcraftlog itens, all Sins are using 905 gear instead of ToS gear, so fucked up loot.

Dont use SimDPS to compare classes, this never wont work

[DakonBlackblade]

Lol seriously no one here have access to simulation craft? Assassination Rogue is the second worst class in the game, just losing to dkfrost. Its plain data, cant argue with that. Just gear up 4pc t20 anda switch to sub, Sin is dead for good, look at simcraft rank anda warcraftlog itens, all Sins are using 905 gear instead of ToS gear, so fucked up loot.

Actualy Sin rogues have been doing super well on tomb, its an extremely solid spec for progression. It might loose to Sub on maximum potential damage (altough its plenty possible to do enought damage as a Sin to put you on par with a top 90 sub rogue) but it has other perks that make it great for progression and it is the de facto best spec in the game for a couple of fights. Sin is a solid choice on Tomb, don't trus simulations at all they don't work to compare different specs and classes, never didd and never will.

[Halobob87]

Lol seriously no one here have access to simulation craft? Assassination Rogue is the second worst class in the game, just losing to dkfrost. Its plain data, cant argue with that. Just gear up 4pc t20 anda switch to sub, Sin is dead for good, look at simcraft rank anda warcraftlog itens, all Sins are using 905 gear instead of ToS gear, so fucked up loot.

I'm not talking about performance, but simply about playstyle (and, even with AP, assa would still be bottom-mid tier).

[elfporn]

Lol seriously no one here have access to simulation craft? Assassination Rogue is the second worst class in the game, just losing to dkfrost. Its plain data, cant argue with that. Just gear up 4pc t20 anda switch to sub, Sin is dead for good, look at simcraft rank anda warcraftlog itens, all Sins are using 905 gear instead of ToS gear, so fucked up loot.

As one of the least geared players in my raid, i'm top dps on fights where assassination tends to shine. Granted we don't have a super good frost mage or DH.

I have no issues competing against other dps. On maiden in particular i'm way ahead if i time my shit right.

You're misinformed or mislead by sim data.

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I'm not talking about performance, but simply about playstyle (and, even with AP, assa would still be bottom-mid tier).

It takes getting used to just like any other changes. Try to fit 2 envenoms into every tb use, use tb on cd, align it with vendetta when possible; It's not rocket science like some people seem to think it is. Oh and i agree.

[Xanatu]

As one of the least geared players in my raid, i'm top dps on fights where assassination tends to shine. Granted we don't have a super good frost mage or DH.

I have no issues competing against other dps. On maiden in particular i'm way ahead if i time my shit right.

You're misinformed or mislead by sim data.

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It takes getting used to just like any other changes. Try to fit 2 envenoms into every tb use, use tb on cd, align it with vendetta when possible; It's not rocket science like some people seem to think it is. Oh and i agree.

Your actual competition is not DHs and mages, it's DKs and arms warriors.

[shaunika123]

Your actual competition is not DHs and mages, it's DKs and arms warriors.

dont forget warlocks

[elfporn]

Your actual competition is not DHs and mages, it's DKs and arms warriors.

I wish. Maybe it's a lack of t20 for them atm, but our dk's and warrior are on par with me, and have tended to fall behind the longer a fight goes on. Time will tell once we become more comfortable on the encounters and they can maximize uptime.

Ymmv of course, but for me, i'm not able to come up with any complaints for my place on damage within my guild, and i'm comfortably top 500 or better on most stuff atm compared outside guild.

Assination is fine.

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dont forget warlocks

This is true

[RobertoCarlos]

assassination works great in tomb, fuck what the sims say.

So much of Tomb is running away from the target, where rupture/garrote/deadly poison gets to shine for melee.

Saying that, having a nice time switching between assass and sub for a bit of variety for the first time in legion

[Master Guns]

One could also easily make the argument that constant target switching is a huge setback for Sin, as even stated by blizzard.

[nocturnus]

assassination works great in tomb, fuck what the sims say.

So much of Tomb is running away from the target, where rupture/garrote/deadly poison gets to shine for melee.

Saying that, having a nice time switching between assass and sub for a bit of variety for the first time in legion

Except, sims reflect quite accurately what WCL MYTHIC parses show; that we scale horribly and are left at the bottom of the charts once other classes gear up.

Our absolutely horrible tier set bonus doesn't help either.

[Todesbote]

Our absolutely horrible tier set bonus doesn't help either.

Scroll back 20 pages in this thread: "But it's just a placeholder." "They will change it. It's only PTR".

[Deleted]

The poor stat Distribution is also net helping.

[Deleted]

goroth - assassination
inquisition - assassination
harjatan - sub
sisters - assassination
host - sub
mistress - sub
maiden - assassination
avatar - assassination
KJ - I tend to assassination

but since most of the "pro" rogues switched to sub for nearly all bosses, we will barely see top parses of assass

[nocturnus]

goroth - assassination
inquisition - assassination
harjatan - sub
sisters - assassination
host - sub
mistress - sub
maiden - assassination
avatar - assassination
KJ - I tend to assassination

but since most of the "pro" rogues switched to sub for nearly all bosses, we will barely see top parses of assass

Now check mythic progression, where no rogue is near the top.

The difference is only going to get bigger since other classes' tier bonus is actually good and they have valuable stat distribution.

[Deleted]

Now check mythic progression, where no rogue is near the top.

The difference is only going to get bigger since other classes' tier bonus is actually good and they have valuable stat distribution.

Rogues are still top-notch in terms of pure single target dps. Especially at bosses like M-Harjatan, M-Host and M-Mistress are Sub Rogues so insanely strong in terms of boss dps.

Furthermore the parses of the top guilds are not public.

[Mamercus]

How are you guys feeling Elaborate Planning with toxic blade in 7.2.5? I haven't tried it in raid but it doesn't seem too bad on dummies.

[Varolyn]

Except, sims reflect quite accurately what WCL MYTHIC parses show; that we scale horribly and are left at the bottom of the charts once other classes gear up.

Our absolutely horrible tier set bonus doesn't help either.

I didn't know that being 12th across all specs meant that we are now at the bottom of the charts, especially when not every boss has even been killed yet.