Should the Horde disband?

[Strangewayes]

The Blood Elves had their famous leader as a Raid boss as soon as they came out.

The Forsaken killed Saurfang Jr, and Bolvar in a sneak attack on everyone.

Thrall left the Horde to join the Earthen Ring, and that turned Garrosh into a Raid Boss

Cairne got killed by Garrosh by accident

Vol'jin got killed by a random mob while in a raid consisting of every major Horde character

Sylvanas looking for any way to secure the Forsaken will probably be a Raid Boss

We've also killed off every possible force that could have allied with the Horde, the Amani, the Drakkari, the Blackrocks, the Gurubashi.

Meanwhile the Dark Irons are on the council of the Three Hammers.

Who the hell is left for the Horde? Ji Firepaw and her 50 monks? I can't decide if the Horde should stay together out of survival, or if they should disband because even when allied they kill each other. Either that or they are too incompetent to be a faction anymore.

[arcaneshot]

Who the hell is left for the Horde? Ji Firepaw and her 50 monks? I

You can't even give the lame excuse 'they all look alike!' to get out of this one.

[Queen of Hamsters]

No, they shouldn't.

Get over it.

[Appleson]

I'm the Horde.

[Ehrenpanzer]

Maybe they should... then we could all join the Alliance and it wouldnt be full of whiny pansies anymore

[Deleted]

Expected a Jaylock thread.
No the horde shouldnt disband / thread.

[Deleted]

you call the horde incompetent yet the alliance is so retarded everyone and his grandma can sneak in and pose as human.
first ony now a demon.... that stupid wolf never follows any orders but only his own gains....
makes you wonder if not the alliance should disband out of sheer stupidity

[Logwyn]

No, the Alliance should just bend at the knee and praise their Forsaken leader, Banshee-Queen Sylvanas. No one is left on the Alliance with the stones to do anything meaningful, anyway.

Let's see how many people I can trigger at once.

This should happen!!!

Yes. It will happen. Auduin and Thrall will attempt to unite the Alliance and Horde together. Velen and Baine will agree. Jaina and Genn will be like hell no. Sylvanis and some random new Orc will be like NO!

Syvanis and buddy will make the True Horde or Forsaken Horde. They get Undercity and Some new orc city?
Auduin and Thrall will make the Best Buddies Forever Everwhere else.
Jaina and Glenn will make the Alliance of Kill the Horde. Kul Tiras and Worgen Captial.


Horde can pick Forsaken Horde or Best Buddies. You can visit either cities but the other will not give you discounts etc.
Alliance can pick Kill Horde or Best Buddies. You can visit either cities but the other will not give you discounts etc.

[Deleted]

You talk like there wherent any inside jobs on alliance. Like Katrana Prestor just to name one.

[Regalbeast]

Yes, they should admit that they are inferior to the Alliance and beg for them to take them into their faction.

[Goundin]

The Blood Elves had their famous leader as a Raid boss as soon as they came out.

The Forsaken killed Saurfang Jr, and Bolvar in a sneak attack on everyone.

Thrall left the Horde to join the Earthen Ring, and that turned Garrosh into a Raid Boss

Cairne got killed by Garrosh by accident

Vol'jin got killed by a random mob while in a raid consisting of every major Horde character

Sylvanas looking for any way to secure the Forsaken will probably be a Raid Boss

We've also killed off every possible force that could have allied with the Horde, the Amani, the Drakkari, the Blackrocks, the Gurubashi.

Meanwhile the Dark Irons are on the council of the Three Hammers.

Who the hell is left for the Horde? Ji Firepaw and her 50 monks? I can't decide if the Horde should stay together out of survival, or if they should disband because even when allied they kill each other. Either that or they are too incompetent to be a faction anymore.

First, Ji is a he, not a she.
Second, you don't know anything about the Horde do you? It wasn't the forsaken, it was a rogue faction within them.

If we're going to blame the whole of the Forsaken for what a small section does, then the humans should be blamed for everything that a small fraction does.

[Strangewayes]

You talk like there wherent any inside jobs on alliance. Like Katrana Prestor just to name one.

yeah and shes dead, Anduin was fine.

Lol, yeah, keep dreaming. Anduin is so weaksauce he wouldn't know what to do if an Orc spit in his face. Genn would have to console him first, and then advise on the next move.

Yeah but at least they are alive, half the Horde Leaders are dead and they were supposedly tougher.

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First, Ji is a he, not a she.
Second, you don't know anything about the Horde do you? It wasn't the forsaken, it was a rogue faction within them.

If we're going to blame the whole of the Forsaken for what a small section does, then the humans should be blamed for everything that a small fraction does.

Yeah and what Alliance rogue factions have killed major characters?

[StationaryHawk]

The Blood Elves had their famous leader as a Raid boss as soon as they came out.

The Forsaken killed Saurfang Jr, and Bolvar in a sneak attack on everyone.

Thrall left the Horde to join the Earthen Ring, and that turned Garrosh into a Raid Boss

Cairne got killed by Garrosh by accident

Vol'jin got killed by a random mob while in a raid consisting of every major Horde character

Sylvanas looking for any way to secure the Forsaken will probably be a Raid Boss

We've also killed off every possible force that could have allied with the Horde, the Amani, the Drakkari, the Blackrocks, the Gurubashi.

Meanwhile the Dark Irons are on the council of the Three Hammers.

Who the hell is left for the Horde? Ji Firepaw and her 50 monks? I can't decide if the Horde should stay together out of survival, or if they should disband because even when allied they kill each other. Either that or they are too incompetent to be a faction anymore.

Garrosh killed Cairne intentionally. Their duel was to the death, and Cairne would have done the same. That Garrosh's weapon was poisoned was the only controversy.

"Will probably be a raid boss" is not a justifiable argument, as it's purely speculation.

Trolls and orcs are not the only potential ally for the Horde. See blood elves.

Who is left for the Horde? Head on over to character creation and see for yourself what options are available.

[Strangewayes]

"Will probably be a raid boss" is not a justifiable argument, as it's purely speculation.

Trolls and orcs are not the only potential ally for the Horde. See blood elves.

Blood Elves? The same ones that had a storyline where they considered leaving the Horde? lol

Sylvanas has been making deals with Helya, sending Koltira to be tortured, and trying to capture Eyir. What do you think they are trying to allude to? That Sylvanas will be redeemed and be turned back into a High elf by Elune and return to the Alliance?

The Undercity was already raided during Wrathgate, and there was something called the Siege of Orgrimmar. I don't think suddenly there will be a Siege of Ironforge, because Magni wrote a rude letter to Gallywix.

[oplawlz]

The Undercity was already raided during Wrathgate, and there was something called the Siege of Orgrimmar. I don't think suddenly there will be a Siege of Ironforge, because Magni wrote a rude letter to Gallywix.

No, because it's been well established that the gnomes can't even beat lvl ~25 alarm bots.
At least the horde still consists of warriors, alliance are a bunch of midgets, tree huggers, and pacifists.

[StationaryHawk]

Blood Elves? The same ones that had a storyline where they considered leaving the Horde? lol

Sylvanas has been making deals with Helya, sending Koltira to be tortured, and trying to capture Eyir. What do you think they are trying to allude to? That Sylvanas will be redeemed and be turned back into a High elf by Elune and return to the Alliance?

The Undercity was already raided during Wrathgate, and there was something called the Siege of Orgrimmar. I don't think suddenly there will be a Siege of Ironforge, because Magni wrote a rude letter to Gallywix.

I'm not really concerned with what you believe they're trying to allude to, as you are asking whether the Horde should disband given its current state. If Sylvanas turns against the Horde and becomes a raid boss then you'll have a stronger argument in that regard.

The blood elves were members of the Horde for years before considering defecting to the Alliance as a result of Garrosh, and remain members of the Horde to this day. While it can be assumed that they're more comfortable with a Horde that doesn't segregate its races and make assassination attempts on their own leaders, even if they weren't it wouldn't change the fact that Quel'Thalas and the Forsaken are both non-orc, non-troll members of the Horde. Every potential ally you listed believed their respective race was superior to all others, and made repeated attempts to prove it.

[Triggered Fridgekin]

I'm the Horde.

I am Spartacus!

[Nyel]

I'd rather want to separate Undead and Blood Elves from the Horde - who needs Tauren, Trolls and Orcs? They can form an alliance with Humans and Worgen / Night Elves and I'd be happy. Get rid of those Dwarfs and Gnomes as well.

[cparle87]

Garrosh killed Cairne intentionally. Their duel was to the death, and Cairne would have done the same. That Garrosh's weapon was poisoned was the only controversy.

To be fair, Garrosh respected Cairne and didn't want to fight him. He raised the stakes of their duel to being to the death hoping it was make Cairne back down, but it didn't. He didn't hesitate to kill him when he saw him lower his guard unknowingly due to the poison, but he didn't have any choice by then. Backing down at that point would've lost him all credibility.

[Flurryfang]

The Blood Elves had their famous leader as a Raid boss as soon as they came out.

The Forsaken killed Saurfang Jr, and Bolvar in a sneak attack on everyone.

Thrall left the Horde to join the Earthen Ring, and that turned Garrosh into a Raid Boss

Cairne got killed by Garrosh by accident

Vol'jin got killed by a random mob while in a raid consisting of every major Horde character

Sylvanas looking for any way to secure the Forsaken will probably be a Raid Boss

We've also killed off every possible force that could have allied with the Horde, the Amani, the Drakkari, the Blackrocks, the Gurubashi.

Meanwhile the Dark Irons are on the council of the Three Hammers.

Who the hell is left for the Horde? Ji Firepaw and her 50 monks? I can't decide if the Horde should stay together out of survival, or if they should disband because even when allied they kill each other. Either that or they are too incompetent to be a faction anymore.

All of the things that you have just pointed out, is the best arguments for the Horde to stay together. There have been alot of loss in the horde in the last 3 expansions, so they are now keeping together to stand a chance against the alliance.

They have been competent enough to accept a leader that keeps them alive despite her being different. The Forsaken is currently the strongest racial faction because of the increased number of raised undead and their bio-weapon tech. If you want to talk about incompetents, just look at Genn Greymane attacking an entire Forsaken fleet with a single air ship and lost it without killing anybody importent.

Finally, why would they even need to disband? The only fighting inside the faction has been because of Garrosh and he is gone now. He trying to change the horde has only made it stronger because they know how things can be if they are not vigilant.