Shia laBeouf doing Shia things - abusive rant at police

[Elba]

Stalin? dude with the 60 million kill-count? Kickass mustache?

That's not genocide. "Genocide — under the Genocide Convention, the crime of genocide does not apply to the mass killing of political and social groups."


Also Stalin was not a communist. He did not abolish the class system.

[Deleted]

Worker's rights.

Nazi Germany is why we have Mandatory Paid leave and Mandatory sick pay though. Worker's rights under Communists are actually always pretty shit.

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Also Stalin was not a communist. He did not abolish the class system.

"it's not real communism"

So who was a real communist?

[kasuke06]

That's not genocide. "Genocide — under the Genocide Convention, the crime of genocide does not apply to the mass killing of political and social groups."


Also Stalin was not a communist. He did not abolish the class system.

Ah, dodging. just like any politician. "he totally was never a communist(because I'm ignoring the part where he was for quite a while) and what he did doesn't technically fit my exact definition of genocide"

The funny part was, is that the soviets pushed hard post WW2 to get that specific definition you're using penned instead of the original which included political and social mass-killings.

[Elba]

"it's not real communism"

So who was a real communist?

Someone who seeks to put the means of production into worker's hands and abolish social classes.

[LilSaihah]

What genocide?

Purging of the Falun Gong, let's start with that.

[Elba]

Ah, dodging. just like any politician. "he totally was never a communist(because I'm ignoring the part where he was for quite a while) and what he did doesn't technically fit my exact definition of genocide"

The funny part was, is that the soviets pushed hard post WW2 to get that specific definition you're using penned instead of the original which included political and social mass-killings.

How is it dodging? Stalin did no follow actual communist policies.

The definition of genocide is quite precise. You know the Geno part?

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Purging of the Falun Gong, let's start with that.

Those are a race? Also, which communists are supposed to have done that? China is not communist. Class society, not in the hands of the worker's.

[LilSaihah]

Those are a race?

A distinction without a difference.

Also, which communists are supposed to have done that? China is not communist. Class society, not in the hands of the worker's.

But it's okay, because it wasn't real communism

[Elba]

A distinction without a difference.

Precision is important.

But it's okay, because it wasn't real communism

It literally isn't. How is something communist if it does not follow communist policies?

[Canpinter]

guys just because every attempt to instigate communism has resulted in lots and lots of dead people doesn't mean communism is bad, it just means you haven't truly accepted marx into your heart.

[bladeXcrasher]

How is it dodging? Stalin did no follow actual communist policies.

The definition of genocide is quite precise. You know the Geno part?

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Those are a race? Also, which communists are supposed to have done that? China is not communist. Class society, not in the hands of the worker's.

Geno, Greek root for race/family/kind/birth...amazing how words work when you understand them.

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Precision is important.
It literally isn't. How is something communist if it does not follow communist policies?

How can anything be communist if it can only exist in a utopian society?

[LilSaihah]

Precision is important.

All it reads to me is that you're perfectly fine with mass killing, so long as it's not to do with genetic race.

It literally isn't. How is something communist if it does not follow communist policies?

Because you can and will make this argument about every communist state that's ever existed. We may as well be talking about Star Trek's political landscape.

[Elba]

guys just because every attempt to instigate communism has resulted in lots and lots of dead people doesn't mean communism is bad, it just means you haven't truly accepted marx into your heart.

No it means that fascists or other authoritarians have masqueraded as communists for their own gain.

Again, if it does not follow communist policies it is not a communist.

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All it reads to me is that you're perfectly fine with mass killing, so long as it's not to do with genetic race.

Not really, just think the distinction is important. Motive matters in a crime.

Because you can and will make this argument about every communist state that's ever existed. We may as well be talking about Star Trek's political landscape.

I won't because no communist state has ever existed afaik. Name one state that has actually followed Marx teachings. Actually, not just pretended to.

[Canpinter]

No it means that fascists or other authoritarians have masqueraded as communists for their own gain.

Again, if it does not follow communist policies it is not a communist.

so no one has ever actually tried to implement communism then? and if your political system always results in fascists and authoritarians taking power and killing people that's a flaw in your system.

[LilSaihah]

Not really, just think the distinction is important. Motive matters in a crime.

It isn't, unless it affects the sentence.
If, in your mind, mass killing on the basis of genes should be treated differently than mass killing on the basis of political position or religion, then you really are lost.

I won't because no communist state has ever existed afaik. Name one state that has actually followed Marx teachings. Actually, not just pretended to.

If we are going to talk about fictional utopian governments, I would genuinely prefer to talk about star trek.

[Deathcries]

He will not divide us!

[kasuke06]

It isn't, unless it affects the sentence.
If, in your mind, mass killing on the basis of genes should be treated differently than mass killing on the basis of political position or religion, then you really are lost.



If we are going to talk about fictional utopian governments, I would genuinely prefer to talk about star trek.

Well, scientists did manage to teleport something off planet today, so hopefully not far off from starship engineer and such being an actual job soon.

[LilSaihah]

Well, scientists did manage to teleport something off planet today, so hopefully not far off from starship engineer and such being an actual job soon.

beam me out of this thread scotty

[Tackhisis]

Stalin? dude with the 60 million kill-count?

What 60 million? It is like all the adult male population of USSR.

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He did not abolish the class system.

Class system in USSR? Interesting.

[kasuke06]

beam me out of this thread scotty

Can't quite do that yet, but quantum internet could be a thing.

[Kapadons]

"They're incompetent" is your excuse?

You said they murdered people then provided a link to "prove" it when your own link said you were full of shit. So either provide a link showing they murder people or retract your previous statement.