EPA chief wants scientists to debate climate on TV

[BrerBear]

Why are you afraid of climate deniers? If your science is so settled - and undeniable - you should be able to take them to the mat in record time.

No one's afraid of anyone. There's just objectively no reason to offer an audience to crackpots in a world where half of Republicans believe that Pizzagate is real.
Nothing to gain.

[Vankrys]

Climate changes every day. We live on an organic rock.

are you confusing climate with weather?

[Z-Man]

Equal time for each side of the debate.

20 minutes for scientists
20 minutes for deniers
20 minutes for pirates

[Deleted]

The words in bold demonstrate that you don't understand what 'climate' is.

Every day is the next day in a new 30 year cycle. Being pedantic, given your link :P

"Calling it a "debate" is incorrect. There is ongoing discussion," - okay, I will give you that. That is a better characterization.

[Edge-]

Equal time for each side of the debate.

20 minutes for scientists
20 minutes for deniers
20 minutes for pirates

It's only fair. The correlation is too strong to deny!

[Deleted]

are you confusing climate with weather?

No - I was being overly broad, given the length of time of this rock's existence. I am fully aware of what a "climate" is (in relation to how man currently defines it) and the difference between what that constitutes and what is considered the daily weather.

[Milchshake]

No - I was being overly broad, given the length of time of this rock's existence. I am fully aware of what a "climate" is (in relation to how man currently defines it) and the difference between what that constitutes and what is considered the daily weather.

Being overly glib. Geologically speaking (rock's existence), the number of "good days" of climate in which modern civilization flourished, isnt even a blink. Pushing the climate out of that set of tolerances will probably not end well.

[alexw]

Well, if that is the case then you should welcome the debate since the skeptics have "nothing".



What - like in the Oxbow Incident?

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Why are you so afraid of debate? Why are you afraid to have the "general consensus" challenged?

Lol. There is nothing to debate. There is reality, then there is the denialists position on it.

[Deleted]

Geologically speaking (rock's existence), the number of "days" of in which modern civilization flourished, isnt even a blink.

Sorry, I truncated your statement to further my entire point.

[want my Slimjim]

There's really not a lot of "fun" to be had in telling people "you're wrong, and you've got no evidence to back your claims" over and over, especially when they jam their own fingers firmly in their ears and refuse to actually discuss anything.

Deniers aren't interested in actual debate. They're interested in being given a false sense of equivalence and being made to appear far more credible than they have any business being treated as.

If you did the "debate" properly, it'd be 19 climate scientists all laughing at the Ancient Aliens guy. And actually, that's unfair to Mr. Tsoukalos; he may be nutty, but he's not maliciously spreading disinformation.



Then maybe you'll be open to actually looking at the facts sometime.

Here, everything you could want to know; http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/

There's a difference between people who just honestly don't know enough, and deniers. I don't have any issue with the former; it's not like I expect EVERYONE to be a climate science expert.

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Literally anyone who knows how a thermometer works can see that the climate is changing. What next, claims that the Earth is flat? That pi is equal to 3?

you're right and thermostat would show today's climate is the same or less than 50 years ago, because it hasn't change.

[Edge-]

you're right and thermostat would show today's climate is the same or less than 50 years ago, because it hasn't change.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temper...50s-present.29

A basic thermostat, sure, but that's not terribly accurate. If you want to get accurate, you're wrong.

[want my Slimjim]

Says the guy that thinks the Civil war wasn't fought over the right to keep slaves.

It wasnt slavery had nonthing to do with it

[Vankrys]

No - I was being overly broad, given the length of time of this rock's existence. I am fully aware of what a "climate" is (in relation to how man currently defines it) and the difference between what that constitutes and what is considered the daily weather.

The whole climate changing theory is not about weather changing on daily basis like you said. Scientist study the overall weather condition and atmospheric composition over decades, centuries using average and trending, as well as understandings in physics, chemistry ...

If it was just a problem of having better AC, nobody would care, but climate as a profound impact on the echo system of the planet. I understand why climate changes deniers are like that, they don't really see, experience or understand the changes. The average annual temperature is 0.5°C higher than 30 years ago, no one can feel 0.5°C especially over the course of three decades and especially when the temperature range from 0 in winter to 40+ in summer.

That's why scientists don't use their senses, their naked eye observation to record and understand those phenomena. You either need to truly educate yourself in climatology, if you have 5 years to spare to get a master degree, or trust in people that have dedicated their life to study it.

[Forgettable]

It isn't 50 to 1, it is 97 to 3 as 97% of climate scientists agree that climate change is happening and humans are accelerating it.

Oh man, my ratio is sooooo far off.

[Xeones]

you're right and thermostat would show today's climate is the same or less than 50 years ago, because it hasn't change.

Nope it's been 80s-90s. 50 years ago it was mostly mid-high 70's 50 years ago from what I see.

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It wasnt slavery had nonthing to do with it

100% false and completely off topic.

[Endus]

you're right and thermostat would show today's climate is the same or less than 50 years ago, because it hasn't change.

Like I said; if you don't understand how thermometers work, maybe. To everyone else, who understands what temperature is and how it's measured, there's obviously a rapid warming trend over the last century.

[Draco-Onis]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN19W2D0



What an awesome idea. I would definitely tune in for that.

Wouldn't it be great to have both the proponents and the skeptics get together and air their differences? Who knows - maybe they could come to a general consensus and tackle the the issue together.

While we are tackling issues like these we should have a debate with flat earthers, Lizard men theorist and that guy who think NASA has a slave colony on mars

[Cthulhu 2020]

It wasnt slavery had nonthing to do with it

Articles of secession from 7 states say it was over their right to keep slaves. Try again.

Oh I get why the original person said that, you disregard real life evidence as fake or even non existent, so you can believe what you want.

[Orbitus]

It wasnt slavery had nonthing to do with it

Again, you don't know American history and yes Slavery was the main reason for most of the states. You really shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about.

[Sunseeker]

So basically the scientific community will debate Pruitt, he won't believe them and nothing will be accomplished. Seems par for the course for this administraton.

Basically. The Administration is likely to get a bunch of people with no evidence, no scientific background and who are completely unwilling to support their claims to "debate" scientists who will of course, present facts and research and studies with no other outcome than the other side to resort to yelling, insults and conspiracies.

The problem is, since no right-minded scientist would participate in such stupidity the Administration will pick out "scientists" who are unqualified to speak on the subject, or are actually skeptics who will put up a poor defense just to make actual science look defeated.

This is bullshit and propaganda. Like real propaganda for a change. The kind you use before you go to war with someone, which of course is the point: skeptics are at war with science.