Is Blizzard going beyond the Law ?

[Eleccybubb]

They don't say what the exact chances of each outcome are.

They don't say that because if they say that, people will buy less.

Pretty sure they say it's a legendary in every 20 boxes or so or something like that. Again you know what you can get. Stop trying to claim there is deception when there isn't just because you don't like the loot box system. Yeah some companies are really scummy. At least I'm aware of what I can get in Overwatch.

[the]

For the US: no as long as there are not "cash-outs" for real money there is no way for this to get them in trouble. Diablo real money AH was getting into dangerous territory. But now that's gone. Everything the laws have to do with in the US deal with things you are allowed to sell to others or if it's direct cash. Since you're quoting a UK law I am not familiar enough with their system.

But I don't see how the new system is any different than the old system in terms of legality. They never published exact drop rates. Why is the "bad luck protection" any different?

[Deleted]

WoW, Diablo, HS, HotS and OW mimic the behavior of slot machines.

[Deleted]

Deceptive? Tell me how they are being deceptive.

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Then that is the choice of the player. Loot has been a core part of RPG's for decades. Gear drops from raids are not subject to that law. You know what you can get from the raids for example because they have loot tables ingame.

Also caches should have their own set of loot table on WoWhead but I'm not entirely sure on that one.

I'm afraid gear drops from raids are subject to the law. And every other digital item. In some countries like Belgium e.g. They are protected and fall under the incidence of some Civil Law, Criminal Law and E-Commerce Law.

[Eleccybubb]

I'm afraid gear drops from raids are subject to the law. And every other digital item. In some countries like Belgium e.g. They are protected and fall under the incidence of some Civil Law, Criminal Law and E-Commerce Law.

Good thing Blizzard have an ingame loot table then showing you what you can get from raids then isn't it?

And that they can only drop gear for your current specialisation.

[Deleted]

WoW, Diablo, HS, HotS and OW mimic the behavior of slot machines.

The race to the bottom of the brain stem.

[dcc626]

Jesus these forums are getting dumb.

getting?! way past that point...

[rda]

Pretty sure they say it's a legendary in every 20 boxes or so or something like that. Again you know what you can get. Stop trying to claim there is deception when there isn't.

Show me the clear numbers.

You can't, they are not published. Vague "every 20 boxes or so" for classes of items instead of items is not at all enough.

The numbers are not published because if they were published, people would buy less. There's research on that.

This is a crystal clear case of hiding information for your own benefit. The word "deceptive" is entirely appropriate.

I don't know how to make it any clearer.

[Deleted]

If you think they are, then good luck sueing them. I mean...America is the land where you can make millions from the most inane claims, right? And lawyers work for a share of the awarded money? Go for it, you have nothing to lose.

Nobody wants to sue anybody. We are debating like intelligent people do here.

[Icedcoffeee]

No.

The key point here is "deception." If Blizzard actively misled players, and that deception led to us lose money we wouldn't have otherwise spent, then you might have a case. But randomness is not deception.

And Citing a law from China is terrible evidence, unless you personally play in China. China's legal system is completely different from ours (or the UKs, as the law commission paper is from.)

[azka]

Are you this guy?

https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/...sino%40Outland

[Deleted]

That subscription covers your access to the game. By that logic Dungeon caches which have been in since Cata are under the same rule yes?

Dungeon caches in Cata and beyond were not awarding you with an item millions of players are chasing.

[Shadowsgrace]

They don't say what the exact chance of each outcome is.

They don't say that because if they say that, people will buy less.

they were recently forced to reveal the Droprate chance for Overwatch boxes, HotS, and Hearthstone Packs, because you can buy them with real world Currency, and some countries consider that "Gambling" and thus the chance rate has to be revealed. It was posted, and you could find them if you just google for it.

[Justpassing]

Yeah OP you should hire a lawyer and go after them!

[Deleted]

Are you this guy?

https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/...sino%40Outland

Lol how did you find me ? :/

[Eleccybubb]

Dungeon caches in Cata and beyond were not awarding you with an item millions of players are chasing.

So those rare mounts weren't something players were chasing?

Again you wanna bring Rep caches in then bring Dungeon/LFR caches in.

[Deleted]

Such a shame that none of this "gear" is actually yours. You have clicked on the "I agree with the Terms of Service" probably many times now and that clearly states that any virtual properties remain in the ownership of Blizzard Entertainment, not yours.

So: No, you don't have a right to get stuff. No, you don't have a right to demand stuff. You are paying for a service that is access to a platform that allows you to play the game. Nothing more.

But go on, try and sue them, that's gonna be hillarious

[Doctor Amadeus]

If a business is worth billions then yes they are beyond the law. Especially if you get lots of stupid people to defend it.

[Deleted]

Emissary caches, Heroics, Mythics, M+'s (and the subsequent weekly Cache in your Orderhall), LFR, Normal Raids, Heroic Raids, Mythic Raids, Blingatron 6000, 5k Nethershard vendor, 100 Legionfall Warsupply turn in, I think I listed them all, Now which of any.... do you pay Real world Currency (which was the deciding factor in blizzard having to reveal the drop rate chance) to get your chance for a Legiondary. None Legally.... now there are 12 listed opportunities to get a Legiondary, you just choose which ones you do on a daily basis, your "pay" you mentioned... is nothing more than the Subscription fee to play the game. You don't pay for the Emissary Cache, you don't pay for any of the listed sources of drops... with "Real World Currency" Nice try, might want to research a bit more before your next attempt.

Still have to provide customers with real droprates or else it falls under the incidence of the China's laws.

[Deleted]

Can you imagine being a developer.. having to create a game for the likes of the OP..
How half the dev team hasn't offed themselves is beyond me.