http://aa.com.tr/en/europe/turkey-wa...r-celik/864385
But Erdogan just said it's a total waste of time and they don't want to join anymore anyway.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40577216
Do they even know what they want? LOL
http://aa.com.tr/en/europe/turkey-wa...r-celik/864385
But Erdogan just said it's a total waste of time and they don't want to join anymore anyway.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40577216
Do they even know what they want? LOL
They want to be the masters of all around them with everyone either bowing down or put out of the way. No one is playing ball though.
Erdogan needs the game between him and european nations to continue since he muzzled all opposition in his own nation, he's the type of politician that needs his following who is gullible and naive to believe that Turkey is constantly under attack someway or another, he needs enemies as that's the only way he can keep in power. So at one hand he's saying he doesn't want to belong and on the other hand he's demanding it.
He's trying to come across as the protector of Turkey, while he is the biggest threat currently to democracy and freedom inside turkey but if you keep putting the spot light on something else you can always find enough people that will believe your justification for anything, it's far from done also. If this keeps up we'll have another Iran or SA.
Turkey can admit to the Armenian genocide and disavow Islamic fundamentalism first.
Oh and Erdogan can stop being a snowflake and start embracing actual freedom of speech, press and democracy as well.
Putin khuliyo
@Lei Shi are you even taking this guy seriously? Why do you even bother and waste your sweet time on some hatemonger? They spew their bullshit everyday. Black is white, white is black. All the bullshit after so many years became so normal that half of the country gave up and the other half is on Erdogan steroids cheering for whatever he says.
Meanwhile in Istanbul...
Human rights activists jailed
Turkey is a rogue country led by a madman who sees himself Sultan in all but name.
They are not entering the EU. Hell their role in NATO is very questionable at this stage.
"Life is one long series of problems to solve. The more you solve, the better a man you become.... Tribulations spawn in life and over and over again we must stand our ground and face them."
All I want for Christmas is a Neo-Ottoman Empire
Good luck with that.
Turkey won't be getting approved for EU accession any time soon as long as Erdogan keeps Turkey on it''s current path.
I don't see the contradiction, the EU has been stalling the membership talks for more then a decade at this point even before Erdogan was doing the stuff he is doing now
Also do you even read the shit you post?
that's totally different to what the titel isPresident Erdogan tells BBC: EU wastes Turkey's time
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But the EU have been stalling since the beginning on all subjects and not just specific subjects since the very beginning.
When the talks first started in 2004/05 the first thing that came out of the governments at that time was ''privileged partnership'''and ''referendums in regards to Turkey'' this shows you how the EU never really was serious to begin with since both of these things would mean that turkey would have never joined the EU.
And about current events, well I find it borderline hypocritical to put the blame on the current events in Turkey when the whole thing seemed like a farce to begin with (see above). You really can't blame the current Turkish government from moving away from EU and not sucking up to the EU when you don't really give anything in return
Also I've been to Eastern-Europe and Turkey, both Bulgaria and Poland for examples where falling apart before joining the EU and even now. They kind of cleaned up a bit since joining the EU and getting allot of money and other resources but you still see the major difference between areas that got EU funding and areas without EU funding. So the idea that Bulgaria ready when they didn't have any decent roads is a bit of a joke isn't it.
''A nice well rounded argument'' if we ignore all of the early talks about ''privileged partnership'''and ''referendums, these two goals by various political leaders at that time (just wiki it) from different countries shows how serious the EU was.
A article of 2009 where it was clear to the writer at that time and president Obama that the EU wasn't really serieus
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-eu-membership
Other parts of yesterday's address were devoted to emphasising Turkey's secular character, as defined by the modern state's founder, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, whose tomb he visited. Obama said he had chosen to visit Turkey to send a message to the world. "Turkey is a critical ally. Turkey is an important part of Europe and Turkey and the United States must stand together and work together to overcome the challenges of our times," he said.
The message was aimed partly at Europe: "The US strongly supports Turkey's bid to become a member of the European Union," he said. "Europe gains by the diversity of ethnicity, culture and faith - it is not diminished by it. And Turkish membership would broaden and strengthen Europe's foundation once more."
That represented a subtle change of tack from the Bush administration, which often lauded Turkey as an example of "moderate Islam" rather than emphasising its European credentials. It also amounted to a rebuke to some European leaders, particularly the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, who oppose Turkey's membership bid.
This was in 09 and this attitude in Europe only became worse ever since
Which they had past originally and was no longer a obstruction to further talks, you may argue that Turkey today doesn't fulfill the Copenhagen criteria anymore but again that's a recent development while talks themselves have been slow since the very beginning.
Again it's being hypocritical at best when you try to put the blame on Turkey's because of the current course of the ruling party while ignoring the first 10 years.
EU was never serious period and that has nothing to do with the current government (see previous comment) even though till some point they used to be a erdogan cheerleaders.
As long as any one member state opposes Turkish entry into the EU it will not happen. So, to think it will happen in any foreseeable future is delusional. Of the biggest member states the most consistent country opposed to Turkish entry regardless of the incumbent party has been Germany, while the country most supportive (even now...) of Turkish entry has been the UK, and they are leaving.
So Turkish membership is not even in the cards. What is in the cards, however, is whether to even continue having the membership negotiations or not. In the past they have been good as a way to provide a carrot on a stick for reforms. But in the last several years Turkey has been going backwards so it's debatable whether they serve a point anymore. The centrist, liberal and most pro-European grouping in the Parliament is advocating shutting them down entirely and I'm inclined to agree with that sentiment.
Yes, it was mostly the UK that pushed for Turkish EU membership on behalf of the US.
Everyone knows that--apart from those voters in the UK apparently.
There were some parties that opposed Turkish membership, and unfortunately Turkey proved them right.
Again look at the early comments in 2004 and 2005 about ''referendums and special partnership'' that byitself tells me how the EU as a whole was never really serious to begin with.
Screw the so called standards that's a formality when both sides are approaching the deal as honest parties. Turkey started out as honest the EU didn't.
I think its about time Europe reconquered Constantinople, tbh.