Cardassian legal system

[Wyrt]

I watched a seven part documentary on how the US police force is trained, its little wonder they have so many issues. I'm genuinely surprised you don't have more police related incidents.

Police Academy Documentary

We have more police related violence than like half the countries in the world.

[PosPosPos]

This thread shows us why the alt-right cult worship of cops is a problem.

[Nazrark]

The Cardassian Empire is based off of a Military Junta. Someone is always guilty to wrap up the investigation. The Romulan Empire is a police state. Where you just disappear and there is no trial. As someone said before, the Klingon Empire is more akin to how people want police shootings investigated. He is guilty, they only want to determine the level of guilt.

Man I love comparing stuff to Star Trek. Things for everything you want.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

This is one of the worst analogies I have ever seen.

On Cardassia Prime, a Police Officer would never be charged for the death of an average civilian. If someone was killed by the police than that person must have been guilty. Which is kind of how it works here already.

[Milchshake]

In the GDR (english for DDR) they had basically the same rules for justice as like in west germany. The only difference was that the SED party was above the law. As the GDR was a socialist dictatorship.

I remember stories of people getting sent off to hard labor in the uranium mines.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

I'm sad that we're two pages in and our resident Cardassian tailor hasn't commented. I have nothing more to add.

[Thetruth1400]

A few reasons people are anti-cop.

1. Ghetto mentality, ain't a race issue. I've seen all kinds of people saying fuck the pooooolice until they need them.

2. Bad cops exist

3. The news fucking loves cop shoots (x) stories.

Now a lot of this shit can be curbed by forcing body cams on cops.

No it won't. Even if you forced them to have them on at all times, the only thing it would do is catch the extremely few bad cops there actually are. It will do absolutely nothing for ghetto mentality. It will do nothing to curb the news who will still run with their spin.

The fact is this; in a 2012 study, there were 12.2 million arrests. There were only 410 deaths as a result of police shootings. That means 0.00003 of all arrests resulted in fatalities. There's no telling how many of those were justified or not. The truth is, cops shooting and killing people just isn't common; the news media hypes it to a massive degree where you have people like OP who think they're edgy for telling everyone just how bad American cops are!

[Deleted]

I thought this was about Kim Cardassian

[Lollis]

We have more police related violence than like half the countries in the world.

Did you miss the joke?

[schwarzkopf]

Assuming no corruption - the concept of only arresting the guilty has its advantages. It is a more equitable arrangement.

In the current US system where innocent people are arrested, money is pretty much the core to defending yourself.

[Thoughtful Trolli]

The verdict might be known, but the perpetrator isn't always.

To keep society functioning, the public needs a sense that the justice system works and stuff like that.

So somebody has to pay for the crimes, but who it is doesn't always matter as much. Sometimes its a scapegoat, sometimes its the real perp, sometimes its whoever is convenient.

perhaps for your cop analogy the klingon system is a better example: where you have are assumed guilty but have a more-or-less-fair chance to prove your innocence, and the crimes often involve honor which is kinda applicable to cops.

This is very important.

I think we've reached the point where scapegoating is finally going to have to go away. It's just bad PR now. Most of the public, honestly, thinks the law works TOO much.

Those who don't believe the law works too much, are the kind of people who wish a "member of law enforcment" would show up to intimidate some vagrant or vandal that's currently bothering them. And they already do that. Maybe they should create police drones to look for vagrants and vandals, and scare them away faster?

[Sunseeker]

I thought this was about Kim Cardassian

Kim Cardassian?

[Glorious Leader]

This is backwards. In cardassia authority is never challeneged and presumed correct always. That we question the acts of policr officers makes us decidedly un cardassian.

[ComputerNerd]

Your confusing two things.
Just because something is currently legal (like the barrier for use of deadly force by a US police officer being 'the cop felt threatened') does not mean that people can't disagree with the law and wish that the actions were illegal.

A soldier on patrol in the sands of Iraq has a higher barrier for use of deadly force then a US cop walking a US street. As per actual soldiers who became police officers.

That shows just how fucked up the system is.
Something can be legal and socially wrong at the same time.

What makes something socially wrong isn't universal.
Many factors can change what someone views as right or wrong.

Many times I don't like the outcome of something, and wish it were different.
Even though I may understand why it did happen.

There is no guarantee or perfect way to avoid harming someone in anything other than ideal circumstances, and many the police deal with are very far from that.
There are going to be incidents when despite good efforts otherwise, things go wrong.
Just some people won't be capable of accepting the consequence as being something out of the officer's control, even those not affected by it.
Maybe because sometimes we need someone tangible to blame.
Sometimes people just enjoy being angry or outraged.

[supertigerlamp]

People on all sides of this equation have it wrong.

Good cops protect bad cops because of their police fraternity.

Juries are often unwilling to convict cops of these killings, for better or worse.

The media cherry-picks bad cop stories, while telling you little to nothing about when cops do good things for people, all in the name of pushing a specific narrative and/or driving ratings and ad money. I am not one of those Trump shithead "fake news" people, but even I recognize that there are many times only one side of a particular story is being told.

People (minorities in particular) feel targeted, and they tend to have a negative association with police officers because cops tend to be there at the bad moments in our lives. We get pulled over - cop. We get our car broken into - cop. Someone gets shot - cop. Very rarely, if ever, are we around uniform police officers in what can be described as a positive environment, and even if we ARE, usually we're still slightly wary of them due to preconceived bias based on the previously negative experiences (i.e. I can't drink too much or this cop might harass me).

People on all sides need to admit and accept that cops are people, too. They are fallible. They can and do make mistakes. They can and do sometimes overreact, or even act with malice, bias, or outright prejudice. When this happens, we also need to accept that they are held to the same standards and laws they enforce, and prosecute them as if they were just another person, not give them a weighted trial because they're a cop.

[Deleted]

In the Cardassian legal system the verdict is always known before the trial begins and it's always guilty. Is this what people want when a cop is on trial for having to use deadly force? The only verdict some people seem to be willing to accept is a guilty verdict. It never matters if the cop was proven to have taken the correct course of action. Should we just automatically decide that they're guilty?

This isn't representative of people in general, only a very loud minority who somehow always mange to feel offended and abused no matter what the facts show.
Even if every cop in the world was equipped with body cams, gun cams and being followed by a personal 4K drone, they'd still find a way to be outraged.