Going forward on Healthcare for the U.S what should be done?

[Sunseeker]

Universal healthcare is the only rational solution.

[Doctor Amadeus]

A few states have tried to implement it on a state level. Nevada recently passed a law allowing any resident who doesn't qualify for medicaid to buy into it. It was vetoed by the Republican governor.

Wisconsin has floated the idea.

How much did it ultimately cost to pay into a Public Option if it had been voted for?


Can't be for or against something without really knowing what it is, I understand Universal Healthcare, some make it sounds like that.

[kail]

Fix the healtcare prices first. Regulate drug and hospital costs. Involving healthcare with for-profit companies plays a large part on why we are in the current situation. Zero reason why a 30 min visit would cost me $1500.

Once that is done, expanding medicaid would be the easier solution to getting everyone covered. Calculate a sustainable co-pay and enjoy a healthier country.

[araine]

Repeal it. If congress can't do a full repeal atleast get rid of the individual mandate. Nobody should be forced to have healthcare if they don't want to. In fact I wouldn't mind if they do it in the same fashion as the Roth IRA. It's independent and their if you chose to have it otherwise it's no big deal.
Separate of that issue I did hear about sanders proposal on making Medicare universal but to make that happen it would require a massive tax hike on not just the wealthy but on the upper middle and middle class. Considering my views of a small government that's a proposal I strongly reject.

without insuring EVERYONE healthcare will become prohibitive expensive in USA. And really you think it is a good idea to sit out and not have insurance when you are healthy and than jump on and demand it when you get sick really thats a fucking freeloader moocher tactic if anything

[Doctor Amadeus]

Repeal it. If congress can't do a full repeal atleast get rid of the individual mandate. Nobody should be forced to have healthcare if they don't want to. In fact I wouldn't mind if they do it in the same fashion as the Roth IRA. It's independent and their if you chose to have it otherwise it's no big deal.
Separate of that issue I did hear about sanders proposal on making Medicare universal but to make that happen it would require a massive tax hike on not just the wealthy but on the upper middle and middle class. Considering my views of a small government that's a proposal I strongly reject.

Just at first or would the cost be mitigated and come down allowing the U.S to bargain to get the cost down?

[araine]

How much did it ultimately cost to pay into a Public Option if it had been voted for?


Can't be for or against something without really knowing what it is, I understand Universal Healthcare, some make it sounds like that.

It would be the cheapest option for sure just see what the cost is on healthcare everywhere else in the developed world and it is a LOT cheaper than USA and everyone is covered.

We call that WIN WIN as in we got no losers only winners everywhere when we go to public healthcare

[Doctor Amadeus]

true public healthcare only viable solution anything else is just not viable long term

So Universal Healthcare or Public Option, or both?

[RaoBurning]

I have to wonder if the ACA was so good, why then did Congress exempt themselves and their staffs;

They didn't.

and why were more than 1300 waivers to various companies granted?

If it was so 'good' shouldn't everyone including Congress and all those granted waivers WANT it, instead of running from it?

Just wonder.

You'll have to provide some more data here for me to look at, because I'm not sure exactly what sort of waivers you're referring to.

[MoanaLisa]

1. Fix the ACA now.
2. Extend Medicare to 50 and older now.
3. Medicare for All after 2020.

It will take a few years to prepare the economy for the transition to Medicare for All. But they ought to pass it as soon as they can (need to flip the Congress first). If it's popular Trump will likely sign it. It's what he campaigned on.

[Doctor Amadeus]

It would be the cheapest option for sure just see what the cost is on healthcare everywhere else in the developed world and it is a LOT cheaper than USA and everyone is covered.

We call that WIN WIN as in we got no losers only winners everywhere when we go to public healthcare

Yeah that is interesting, I wonder if that is somehow why the U.S Health insurance is much higher, because the cost is picked up by counties like the U.S.A where the sky is the limit on cost.


Of course I have heard plenty of people come here for Cancer treatment, as compared to countries with Universal Healthcare, haven't seen the actual numbers on that though.

[Captain N]

I'd like to see a system that's similar to what I have at work. Everyone pays $228/month regardless if you're single or married..have kids or not. If you end up getting married or having children you still pay $228/month. Quality of care is quite good, out of pocket expenses are very low, and prescription prices range from $5 for the generic to $25 for name brand pharmaceuticals. All birth control pills are free of charge and IUD's are less than $50.

[Taso]

Just at first or would the cost be mitigated and come down allowing the U.S to bargain to get the cost down?

I'm not quite sure what you mean? But I would defently pick the second choice of letting it bring cost down. Maybe I should've said healthcare vouchers in the same way we allow school vouchers.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I mean for example last year I slipped with a knife and cut my finger. Being diabetic I had to goto the ER because it was 9pm to make sure I wasn't going to bleed to death. The ER bill was $600 which the VA covered for me. However the ER Dr bill came later and was for another $600. I got 2 stitches to fix the wound which the doctor didn't do. He came in and took one look at it without even touching it said "we'll fix you right up." and then he left. The nurses did all the work. So that ER doctor got paid $600. There was no negotiating on the price or anything. I don't have insurance because I'm seen by the VA and it meets the requirements for health insurance. However when the ER dr bill comes separate about a month after the ER bill they wouldn't cover that. Maybe that $600 fee could be severely reduced to around $150 since the doctor didn't even do anything. Maybe it's time for the government to regulate what doctors can charge for things.

Yeah I know I have seen the ER bill my insurance pays or rather I Pay, that is just sobering as hell.

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I'm not quite sure what you mean? But I would defently pick the second choice of letting it bring cost down. Maybe I should've said healthcare vouchers in the same way we allow school vouchers.

Yeah vouchers seem to be a problem in arenas such as Public Education though, Some say it siphons money from public and feeds it to private company's. So then by vouchers you mean a cap on medical spending for those on the lower end of income.

[the game]

Yeah I know I have seen the ER bill my insurance pays or rather I Pay, that is just sobering as hell.

It just seems like health insurance is a symptom of a much larger problem. doctors but also pharmaceutical companies are a huge part of the problem. I think we need to start with them.

[Super Kami Dende]

Universal healthcare is the only rational solution.

But up to what point does universal healthcare go for you?

Because rationally there are many more sick people than there are doctors, so who chooses who goes first and what value does someones wealth have in a system like that?

[Doctor Amadeus]

I'd like to see a system that's similar to what I have at work. Everyone pays $228/month regardless if you're single or married..have kids or not. If you end up getting married or having children you still pay $228/month. Quality of care is quite good, out of pocket expenses are very low, and prescription prices range from $5 for the generic to $25 for name brand pharmaceuticals. All birth control pills are free of charge and IUD's are less than $50.

So it would average out cost and ration out the price equally?

[kail]

I mean for example last year I slipped with a knife and cut my finger. Being diabetic I had to goto the ER because it was 9pm to make sure I wasn't going to bleed to death. The ER bill was $600 which the VA covered for me. However the ER Dr bill came later and was for another $600. I got 2 stitches to fix the wound which the doctor didn't do. He came in and took one look at it without even touching it said "we'll fix you right up." and then he left. The nurses did all the work. So that ER doctor got paid $600. There was no negotiating on the price or anything. I don't have insurance because I'm seen by the VA and it meets the requirements for health insurance. However when the ER dr bill comes separate about a month after the ER bill they wouldn't cover that. Maybe that $600 fee could be severely reduced to around $150 since the doctor didn't even do anything. Maybe it's time for the government to regulate what doctors can charge for things.

Doubt the doctor got the whole $600. Unless it's his own practice, chances are he/she is paid a salary especially when working for a hospital.

[Doctor Amadeus]

It just seems like health insurance is a symptom of a much larger problem. doctors but also pharmaceutical companies are a huge part of the problem. I think we need to start with them.

I know many doctors, some are very talented they are not rich, and make nowhere near the money as other fields by comparison and they put in long hours and have a vary valuable skill.

The CEO's of some of the largest pharmaceutical companies make a small countries ransom in pay.

[Taso]

without insuring EVERYONE healthcare will become prohibitive expensive in USA. And really you think it is a good idea to sit out and not have insurance when you are healthy and than jump on and demand it when you get sick really thats a fucking freeloader moocher tactic if anything

i understand the concern for the repeal but it's entirely an emotional response. We have plenty of ways to handle healthcare one is not to have the government supply it. They can regulate but not provide it. Instead of saying no insurance or national/single payer which boxes people why not look for other better versions? We have brilliant people in this country surely we can find better alternatives and make us the best healthcare service in the world and not have to go socialist or national to get the results.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Doubt the doctor got the whole $600. Unless it's his own practice, chances are he/she is paid a salary especially when working for a hospital.

After completing medical school and the required on-the-job training, in 2010 the average doctor earned $80 per hour, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. This hourly rate translates into an annual salary of $166,400.

http://work.chron.com/average-doctor...hour-3154.html


That is not a lot.