Car ploughs through protesters at Charlottesville Alt-Right rally

[eschatological]

The Nazi enablers are the authoritarian leftists that oppose them. They're literally the ones that birthed the alt-right. The alt-right didn't exist until the regressive left started infecting our culture.

The alt-right is a counter culture backlash. It cannot exist without its enemies. Or at least, it couldn't before. I think we're way past the point where the "don't give them a boogeyman" strategy could be effective, sadly.

The so-called "regressive" (I tend to call them New) Left didn't exist until they saw 25 years of the same tactics from Republicans actually working. I've been a liberal activist for almost 20 years, and a liberal for 30 in general, and I still remember the Vice President of the United States implying "liberal" was a curse word, on the campaign trail.

Of course, that's all an extension of old school McCarthyism, etc, etc. These tactics come from the right, and believe you me, all us old school Lefties are trying hard to stamp out the belief on our side of the aisle that rioting and being anti-free speech is in anyway progressive. Someone's got to be the grown up in the room.

[Pannonian]

I pretty much answered this when I quoted Belize. Nazi should be used for Germans only, but when I look at your location, I should include Austria in there also.
But I'm not a nazi, neighbor. I'm not even Germanic. We weren't sucking Hitler's cock, using the phrase of some intellectual in this thread.

If you're apologizing for Nazis, wearing Nazi uniforms, carrying Nazi flags, you're at least a Nazi-sympathizer. Yes, i come from a country with a history of Nazis. That's why i know what i'm talking about. How does it feel to suck Hitlers cock? Well, according to my grand-parents: not that great, so i was eager for a second opinion.

But please enlighten me what you meant as you said that germany did a great thing in getting rid of "degenerate crap" (hey, you even use the nazi lingo)

[Dextroden]

The debate wasn't about whether that was terrorism, the debate was whether he had an actual connection to ISIS or if he was just praising them, and doing it "in the name of."

I think most liberals consider the PULSE shooting terrorism. But he's a homegrown terrorist. And he had mental health issues, but I think that can be applied to any terrorist.

I seem to recall people being anxious about using that word. At first, to be fair.

[Paarthurnax]

Both sides have officially lost the plot. Nobody is right if everyone is wrong.

[Skroe]

They misspelled deeply disturbed lone wolf.

Words rarely used to describe "radical islamic terrorists'.

No. The alt-right doesn't get off that easily.

[Kallisto]

You call nationalism regressive, you surely must consider yourself to be a "progressive". That's your ideology.

Because it is regressive. As someone of a mixed ethnic and national background your type of thinking isn't just scary. It's a simple threat to my life. People with views similar to yours want to exterminate those of us whose parents and grandparents come from different parts of the world. People with views similar to yours want to make nations "pure.", people with views similar to yours consider myself, my family at best an inconveniance. At worst an abomination counter to the national principle.

You want to know why a lot of us hate nationalism. It's because the nationalist agenda threatens our very livelyhoods for some myth that nation states are something to be proud of over what it really is which is one government/king agreeing to temporarily keep to a border with another government or king until the one of the two was strong enough to try again. This kept up basically in Europe until WW2 when we realise that it was a stupid way of doing things and nearly wiped us out twice in a generation. So we decided to go a different route which was fuck nationalism, we're all humans lets try acting for each other instead of just ourselves for once.

[Skroe]

Both sides have officially lost the plot. Nobody is right if everyone is wrong.

The a member of the Alt-Right committed an act of terror directly out of the ISIS playbook. ISIS terrorists have actually done exactly this type of attack in Europe.

"Leftists" make a lot of noise, say stupid shit and occasionally devolve into thuggery. But terrorist attacks in modern times? Not like this.

There is no difference between this White American terrorist and a Radical Islamist Terrorist.

[Skroe]

Why are you incapable of discussing this issue dispassionately? You're assuming all these positions of me without even bothering to ask me what I think. I'm not downplaying anything. In fact, this is how much I am not downplaying this.

100 Years from now historians will debate if Charlottesville or Berkeley was the start of the Second American Civil War.

I am not here to condemn or defend anyone. That is a useless gesture that does not serve to promote human well being. I want as many people as possible to understand the underlying causes on the deepest level possible, because that is how real change happens. Knowledge.

Civil War talk is nothing more than a mask for insecurities of the people saying them. It's a fricken joke.

[eschatological]

I seem to recall people being anxious about using that word. At first, to be fair.

Anxious before they knew the facts, sure. The same thing happened in the Congressional baseball shooting, the same thing happened in Columbine back when I young. Reserving judgment until the facts are better known is not "condoning" or supporting or even equivocating. It's wanting to know the actual facts of the matter. And you know what the best example of that is? The reddit circlejerk about the Boston bomber being some brown student who had gone missing from Brown University, instead of a white guy, which the surveillance videos clearly showed. Doesn't everyone remember all the face-morphing gifs reddit made to definitively *prove* that they were the same person?

It's like the posters in GenOT have a short term memory and knowledge of history and even current events. All these things are cyclical.

This particular case is kind of an odd case, because the first thing people saw was a rather definitive video of a car speeding up from a nearly-empty alley into a crowd of protesters. So there was a kind of definitive notion of "this guy meant to run those people over."

[igualitarist]

Police should now allow to extreme sides protest side by side. Its almost like they were asking for deaths.

[Deleted]

If you're apologizing for Nazis, wearing Nazi uniforms, carrying Nazi flags, you're at least a Nazi-sympathizer. Yes, i come from a country with a history of Nazis. That's why i know what i'm talking about. How does it feel to suck Hitlers cock? Well, according to my grand-parents: not that great, so i was eager for a second opinion.

But please enlighten me what you meant as you said that germany did a great thing in getting rid of "degenerate crap" (hey, you even use the nazi lingo)

I do neither of that. And again, nazi = derogatory term for a German (and in that sense even Austrian) nationalist socialist. I have no idea why some Austrian would try to insult me by calling me words reserved for his nation. Nazis don't exist anymore.

Maybe your grand-parents were lying. It must be great, as Hitler had huge popularity in your country. Your fellow Germans voted him in.

[Kallisto]

I do neither of that. And again, nazi = derogatory term for a German (and in that sense even Austrian) nationalist socialist. I have no idea why some Austrian would try to insult me by calling me words reserved for his nation. Nazis don't exist anymore.

Maybe your grand-parents were lying. It must be great, as Hitler had huge popularity in your country. Your fellow Germans voted him in.

Hitler was never elected in the true sense. He never reached enough votes to be able to take the lower house. Other parties were against him. It was the untimely death of Hindeburg that allowed him to assume power and produce false elections that made him look like he had support of the german people. When he never really did.

[Pannonian]

I do neither of that. And again, nazi = derogatory term for a German (and in that sense even Austrian) nationalist socialist. I have no idea why some Austrian would try to insult me by calling me words reserved for his nation. Nazis don't exist anymore.

Maybe your grand-parents were lying. It must be great, as Hitler had huge popularity in your country. Your fellow Germans voted him in.

The generation of my grand-parents also voted him in. Hey even got 97%! I didn't say you were wearing or carrying anything, but you're defending they ones doing it and downplaying their action. You are a Nazi-Enabler at least, but again, what did you mean by nationalism was great and germany was doing well by getting rid of degenerate crap., because that sounds exactly what a Nazi would say.

[Venant]

"Leftists" make a lot of noise, say stupid shit and occasionally devolve into thuggery. But terrorist attacks in modern times? Not like this.

BLM is obviously still around, even though they have assassinated over half a dozen police officers.

[Deleted]

Because it is regressive. As someone of a mixed ethnic and national background your type of thinking isn't just scary.

Sorry, but I'm not going tell you where you belong, if you want to ask me that. Ask your parents. Identity crisis is not my problem.

It's a simple threat to my life. People with views similar to yours want to exterminate those of us whose parents and grandparents come from different parts of the world. People with views similar to yours want to make nations "pure.", people with views similar to yours consider myself, my family at best an inconveniance. At worst an abomination counter to the national principle.

And you're wrong. We don't want to kill anyone. I'm even accept that Zionism has a place in Israel as it's their own sort of nationalism. I don't want to exterminate them.

You want to know why a lot of us hate nationalism. It's because the nationalist agenda threatens our very livelyhoods for some myth that nation states are something to be proud of over what it really is which is one government/king agreeing to temporarily keep to a border with another government or king until the one of the two was strong enough to try again. This kept up basically in Europe until WW2 when we realise that it was a stupid way of doing things and nearly wiped us out twice in a generation. So we decided to go a different route which was fuck nationalism, we're all humans lets try acting for each other instead of just ourselves for once.

You hate nationalism because you keep hearing lies your whole life, as can be clearly seen in this very post.

[GennGreymane]

Agreeing with the "deplorables" thing, arguing only with right leaning posters (behavior, but reflects your ideas), saying the GOP isn't even good enough to be the "troll party", constant anti-Trump threads. You always do the same shit, try to be funny and slightly left leaning.

Ummmm
1. I don't think you understand my point in the GOP: Troll party thread. I adhere to the older type of troll, not the modern baiter. Does the GOP have to be a troll party to you? Is that something they should be? What do you mean by good enough? Like, why should they be a troll party? Thats stupid. Also most people these days as I say in that thread have no idea how to actually troll.
2. They argue with me and try to get me banned often. These posters you refer to are also awful at discussion which makes it more fun.
3. YOu can be right leaning and anti trump too. Look at @Skroe
4. Deplorables thing? I cant run with a joke?

I think you have several problems with me personally and I don't really see why. You seem to form incomplete opinions.

[Pannonian]

Hitler was never elected in the true sense. He never reached enough votes to be able to take the lower house. Other parties were against him. It was the untimely death of Hindeburg that allowed him to assume power and produce false elections that made him look like he had support of the german people. When he never really did.

Not entirely true:

In the german/austrian system getting a 50% majority is the exception, not the norm. So building a coalition is normal, and the Nazis were still the strongest party. After Hindenburgs death he assumed the role of president, which wasn't illegal, and through another legal trick he abolished the lower house (btw. there is only the lower house ). Also the other parties weren't really against him. The conservatives actually created a coalition with him to use his power base ("We will have Hitler squaking like a piglet in a corner in half a year")
- that backfired spectacularly.

In the case of austria: When it was annexed in 1938, there was a vote if the austrian would want that. Now granted the german military had already occupied austria (the austrian government stood down as it didn't want to create a war that austria couldnt win, and it would've been unpopular on top of that) and you could argue that it wasn't entirely fair, as there was (only) heavy nazi propaganda up to the booth, and even the circle for yes was double the size for no. But still it was very popular back then. (as a sidenote: its quite understandable in the context of time, as the austrians after the first world war saw themselves as germans, and wanted to join germany, as they saw it as their natural state. In Wilsons views it should've happened, but France vetoed it. Austrians still felt as german for a long time. Only after WW2 a unique austrian culture and feeling developed)

[Shadowmelded]

Wait, Kentucky wasn't even in the Confederacy. It was one of two slave states that remained in the Union. How and why do they have confederate statues?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

/10c

[The Oblivion]

seems like a racist piece of shit did a piece of shit thing. fuck him. fuck white supremacists.

actually fuck any kind of supremacists (BLM/KKK/ISIS/etc). He needs a bullet in his head.

[RyanEX]

Because it is regressive. As someone of a mixed ethnic and national background your type of thinking isn't just scary. It's a simple threat to my life. People with views similar to yours want to exterminate those of us whose parents and grandparents come from different parts of the world. People with views similar to yours want to make nations "pure.", people with views similar to yours consider myself, my family at best an inconveniance. At worst an abomination counter to the national principle.

You want to know why a lot of us hate nationalism. It's because the nationalist agenda threatens our very livelyhoods for some myth that nation states are something to be proud of over what it really is which is one government/king agreeing to temporarily keep to a border with another government or king until the one of the two was strong enough to try again. This kept up basically in Europe until WW2 when we realise that it was a stupid way of doing things and nearly wiped us out twice in a generation. So we decided to go a different route which was fuck nationalism, we're all humans lets try acting for each other instead of just ourselves for once.

Stop hyperventilating. The problem isn't immigrants. It's ILLEGAL immigrants.

You see plenty of videos of legal immigrants, who went through the rigours to become legal, documented citizens...and they get called traitors to their kind because of it. And the whole "they do the work others won't" was debunked when it was shown that it wasn't the work that put people off, but the ridiculously low wages that owners got away with when it came to illegals.

As for the protest, I'd like to point out that with each telling it gets more and more dramatic. First it was just a White supremacist and Nationalist protest, then it was a W Supremacist, Nationalist protest with members of the KKK. Latest one has it labelled as White Supremacists, Nationalists, Nazi COSPLAYERS and frightened man babies. I would also like to point out that all they were chanting were "White Lives Matter." Sound familiar?

And while I don't condone or agree with the guy who plowed his car into the counter protest, I would like to point out that we recently had a post of BLM invading and disrupting a CHILDREN'S event and it was labelled as a justified if slightly offensive protest.

All I can take away from this is that it's the usual bullshit. If you're white and think you matter you're a racist and how dare you think otherwise. Just a reminder, I'm not American, I am white, and I live in a country where I am the minority. And I refuse to check my privilige, fuck off.