Car ploughs through protesters at Charlottesville Alt-Right rally

[Machismo]

Any1 over 40 in here? Or over 50? Im nearly 50, and I still remember being taught how the citizens of the US and schools using the Bellamy Salute up until the mid 40s. It is now called the "Nazi Salute".....get over yourselves you people with thin skin.

Maybe you should tell that to the Nazis throwing out the salute.

[Azadina]

Which is why it's going to raise a bunch of questions about what constitutes "peaceful assembly" and when your rights are voided. The city stepped in to stop the rally because of the huge issues being caused all over town by their members outside of the just the main rally point which I didn't even attempt to go see. The same group who organized this rally already is scheduled to demonstrate in Boston and trying to bring even more people. Cville is being used as another rallying cry to get even more people to join their cause.

Boston is going to be interesting to watch to see if the city and state intervene in advance. These people acted like animals and shit on their rights.

I wonder if they bring more terrorists there aswell.

[Theinquisition]

You want to blame the city and state government? What should they have done? Should they have cancelled the protest? Should they have boot stomped the first Nazi to throw a piss bottle? Should they have shot them? Charlottesville has about 115 officers, would it have been enough if literally all of them were present? Nope.

I'm a Emergency management specialist for a major fortune 500 company. City, State, and federal governments have special plans for these types of protests. The first punch that gets thrown, you find and arrest those that perpetrated the violence.

If you need to request aid from other cities, the State troopers, even the NG, fine do it. The first amendment it sacred and needs to be defended absolutely, eve for the worst of us.

[Edge-]

I'm not saying they weren't justifying in hitting the car afterwords, just making the statement that *supposedly* these counter protestors were all peaceful nice folks who were being ruthlessly atatcked.

Hard for me to believe that narritive when the leftists appear to be armed and looking for a fight as well.

They were in this instance. Until a white supremacist tried to murder them all, and succeeded in killing one. Should they not respond in any way, or something?

[Bullettime]

I'm not saying they weren't justifying in hitting the car afterwords, just making the statement that *supposedly* these counter protestors were all peaceful nice folks who were being ruthlessly atatcked.

Hard for me to believe that narritive when the leftists appear to be armed and looking for a fight as well.

People were arming themselves in response in this particular case. The white nationalists arrived a day early and had already marched on UVA and attacked people there, hospitalizing a few. So some people were already planning on going armed to the counter protest.

Immediately Saturday morning, the bulk arrived, some came with riot armor, rifles, shields etc and some were hitting the streets and assaulting, harassing, etc bystanders not even involved or near the main rally point. Counter protesters then went to the rally with weapons of their own and even bystanders would walk around armed.

[Machismo]

cause its ever logical to block streets with human bodies ?

Or... you know... cars.

He crashed into cars, as well. Your argument is fucking idiotic.

That's liek blaming the victims of 9/11 for being in a building that was in the flight path of an airplane.

[Livnthedream]

This is the first time you're bringing anything about this up.

Nope, been bringing it up for pages and you have been dismissing it as a strawman. Maybe, especially as a fucking mod, you should actually read what it is you are replying to.

Please link to people getting banned, and why.

If you actually care I can go dig up the posts from reddit, but given that you like to dismiss without reading I am guessing you don't.

Twitter is a private platform, you have no First Amendment rights there. If they want to ban you for saying anything, they have the legal authority to do so.

Yes they do! Glad we agree on something. Just one little issue which we will get to in just a second.

No clue what any of this has to do with free speech, but you're apparently mistaken as to what free speech actually is.

Ah, and here is the rub. You stated before that any business that didn't fire someone who was at this rally was supporting White Supremacy. Are you saying that argument doesn't apply to other services? If someone from Twitter was there and shared a picture, doesn't that make Twitter complicit? I mean Twitter doesn't want to be known as the Nazi site right? And this is without even considering the fake pics and false identifications that have been made. How big does the lynch mob have to be to make these actions ok? The issue isn't with one company saying "hey, that breaks our rules" (though those certainly need far less ideological bias in their application) but in you sitting here and telling me that lynch mobs are perfectly ok as long as you agree with them.

[Theinquisition]

Which is why it's going to raise a bunch of questions about what constitutes "peaceful assembly" and when your rights are voided. The city stepped in to stop the rally because of the huge issues being caused all over town by their members outside of the just the main rally point which I didn't even attempt to go see. The same group who organized this rally already is scheduled to demonstrate in Boston and trying to bring even more people. Cville is being used as another rallying cry to get even more people to join their cause.

Boston is going to be interesting to watch to see if the city and state intervene in advance. These people acted like animals and shit on their rights.

Also, not trying to be a dick to you dude. If you were there, fine. I can pull video from the events and see that both sides had a lot of lunatics enaging in violence. It wasn't limited to one side or another.

[Bytch]

The Bellamy Salute was replaced in 1942 because it was similar to Fascist/Nazi Salute.

lol...exactly...but it didnt get widespread until mid 40s. Only because of the media.

[Endus]

I'm not saying they weren't justifying in hitting the car afterwords, just making the statement that *supposedly* these counter protestors were all peaceful nice folks who were being ruthlessly atatcked.

Hard for me to believe that narritive when the leftists appear to be armed and looking for a fight as well.

And like I said, and linked, this position is super hypocritical for you to hold, given your strong defense of 2nd Amendment rights in the past. These people have as much right to go about armed as any other American. They could've had AR-15s and shotguns instead of bats; is it just that they weren't using guns that has your back up? Or is it that you don't think left-wingers should have the same rights you claim to stand for?

In the video, the only time you see them using those weapons is in the immediate response to an unprovoked and fatally vicious attack. Exactly the kind of defense you have personally advocated for people to arm themselves to be capable of, in the past. So why are you changing your tune, here?

[Flarelaine]

Again: the protestor killed was not affiliated with Antifa, and she didn't attend an antifa-rally. So what's with this fixation on Antifa?

(3 people were killed on saturday)

Must deflect.

[Bytch]

So is your ability to be educated on what the first amendment is about and how it does not relate to this, but you choose not to.

ACLU twitted that....speak to them about their knowledge of the 1st Am.

[Bullettime]

Also, not trying to be a dick to you dude. If you were there, fine. I can pull video from the events and see that both sides had a lot of lunatics enaging in violence. It wasn't limited to one side or another.

Which is why I made another post. Basically, a lot of the arming by the counter protesters was done as a response, not a preemptive. The town already had people attacked by an illegal march on the college and were attacking and harassing people on the street first thing in the morning before the rally even started. People started going to counter protest armed just in case or even would carry something on them to do normal shopping to deter said harassment.

[Machismo]

I'm a Emergency management specialist for a major fortune 500 company. City, State, and federal governments have special plans for these types of protests. The first punch that gets thrown, you find and arrest those that perpetrated the violence.

If you need to request aid from other cities, the State troopers, even the NG, fine do it. The first amendment it sacred and needs to be defended absolutely, eve for the worst of us.

Why should they, if the Nazis were supposedly peaceful?

The rally did get shut down, because they were throwing piss bottles at people (yes, the Nazis). How do you arrest a mob? It's damn difficult when you are heavily outnumbered. Fuck that, don't blame local authorities, because a bunch of racist assholes wanted to be agitators and violent assholes.

[Theinquisition]

They were in this instance. Until a white supremacist tried to murder them all, and succeeded in killing one. Should they not respond in any way, or something?

Helmets and bats magically appeared in their possession?

[Deleted]

lol...exactly...but it didnt get widespread until mid 40s. Only because of the media.

And yet, 75 years passed since the replacement.

[Livnthedream]

I asked you a question. You said my logic was bad. That statement was so random; I'm assuming because I don't agree with you. If you would of said, "disagreed" or "I disagree with your logic" that sounds better than" blah blah blah, your logic is bad". Then you continued to insult my intelligence. And you are still doing it.

My original statement was one that used your logic to give you a solution that you didn't like. hoping that you would realize that your logic was giving you an incorrect answer. You then gave me a rebuttal that showed that you clearly didn't understand my intent, nor my answer, so I broke it down, both more direct and with an example. If anyone is insulting your intelligence at this point, it is you.

[Deleted]

And like I said, and linked, this position is super hypocritical for you to hold, given your strong defense of 2nd Amendment rights in the past. These people have as much right to go about armed as any other American. They could've had AR-15s and shotguns instead of bats; is it just that they weren't using guns that has your back up? Or is it that you don't think left-wingers should have the same rights you claim to stand for?

I suppose one can simultaneously support them having the right to bear and display arms in public, and acknowledge that some protesters may be looking for trouble and not just prepared for it.
I'm sure you can be for free speech and denounce and socially sanction specific instances of speech. Same with the 2nd.
Though I think it's weird to focus on the protesters (be it to point out their peacefulness or lack of it) when the issue is that they were run over.

[Bytch]

The ACLU is suing the city of Charlottesville

Restricting any group or individual's speech jeopardizes everyone's rights. The same laws silencing bigots can be used can be used to silence you

~~ACLU

[Bullettime]

And like I said, and linked, this position is super hypocritical for you to hold, given your strong defense of 2nd Amendment rights in the past. These people have as much right to go about armed as any other American. They could've had AR-15s and shotguns instead of bats; is it just that they weren't using guns that has your back up? Or is it that you don't think left-wingers should have the same rights you claim to stand for?

In the video, the only time you see them using those weapons is in the immediate response to an unprovoked and fatally vicious attack. Exactly the kind of defense you have personally advocated for people to arm themselves to be capable of, in the past. So why are you changing your tune, here?

Which is largely the only time they were used. People were carrying weapons to the protest in response to the protesters being armed and even every day people were walking around armed, even if the weapon wasn't in plain view, because of continual issues with harassment and assault by the protesters.