Neo Nazis losing jobs after being publicly outed

[Ripster42]

Religion is just another belief system and shouldn't be specially protected, then.

It's in the constitution. Sorry that you don't like the constitution.

[Ahovv]

And hell, you're allowed to work at a business and be a neo Nazi, no different than being a radical Islamist. You can't be fired for being white, Christian, Muslim, etc.

But they can fire you if you're a Muslim and go join a hate rally or a white nationalist and go to a neo Nazi rally.

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You can worship whatever the fuck you want but if the company catches you pushing extremist bullshit or death to others then they can you. That's how the shit works.

Once again, should a company be allowed to fire someone for being a Democrat?

At what specific point is it legal or ethical to fire someone?

[Bullettime]

Once again, should a company be allowed to fire someone for being a Democrat?

At what specific point is it legal or ethical to fire someone?

When that fucking person is actually on the street or the net pushing for the death of other people, discriminating, etc. No one gives a fuck what people personally believe. But if you get caught pushing your extremist bullshit, the company can cut ties with you.

If I'm working for a company, I can't go on social media and call someone a nigger or I'd be fired from the company. I could be Muslim and be protected as long as I'm not going to a terrorist rally. I can have Nazi tats covered up and a shrine to Hitler in my bedroom but if the company sees me at a rally, I'm fucked.

[Ahovv]

It's in the constitution. Sorry that you don't like the constitution.

Constitution isn't perfect. There are plenty other freedoms we should have federally protected, including things we consume.

But on the topic - If I just invent a new religion (like every religion in existence) with my own bullshit barbaric views, why is that specially protected? I mean, the Bible supports slavery, the Quran promotes distrusting and murdering those of lesser religions. If I invent my own religion which incorporates some of the worst views of these mainstream religions, will it be protected? Can I just hide behind "religion" whereas those without a religion can be fired for the same beliefs? Eh?

[Bullettime]

Constitution isn't perfect. There are plenty other freedoms we should have federally protected, including things we consume.

But on the topic - If I just invent a new religion (like every religion in existence) with my own bullshit barbaric views, why is that specially protected? I mean, the Bible supports slavery, the Quran promotes distrusting and murdering those of lesser religions. If I invent my own religion which incorporates some of the worst views of these mainstream religions, will it be protected? Can I just hide behind "religion" whereas those without a religion can be fired for the same beliefs? Eh?

Because no one gives a fuck what you believe until you start pushing those beliefs on other people or trying to use your beliefs to push things and yourself in a negative light, and thus your company.

[Ahovv]

When that fucking person is actually on the street or the net pushing for the death of other people, discriminating, etc. No one gives a fuck what people personally believe. But if you get caught pushing your extremist bullshit, the company can cut ties with you.

If I'm working for a company, I can't go on social media and call someone a nigger or I'd be fired from the company. I could be Muslim and be protected as long as I'm not going to a terrorist rally. I can have Nazi tats covered up and a shrine to Hitler in my bedroom but if the company sees me at a rally, I'm fucked.

What if your company views abortion as murder? Should they be allowed to fire you for supporting abortion rights?

[Bullettime]

What if your company views abortion as murder? Should they be allowed to fire you for supporting abortion rights?

I mean Hobby Lobby already does.

[buck008]

Because no one gives a fuck what you believe until you start pushing those beliefs on other people or trying to use your beliefs to push things and yourself in a negative light, and thus your company.

But you aren't associated with where you work unless you make that association. That's why a lot of people get in trouble with social media. They list where they work.

[Ripster42]

Constitution isn't perfect. There are plenty other freedoms we should have federally protected, including things we consume.

But on the topic - If I just invent a new religion (like every religion in existence) with my own bullshit barbaric views, why is that specially protected? I mean, the Bible supports slavery, the Quran promotes distrusting and murdering those of lesser religions. If I invent my own religion which incorporates some of the worst views of these mainstream religions, will it be protected? Can I just hide behind "religion" whereas those without a religion can be fired for the same beliefs? Eh?

So you think being a nazi should be a protected class? Go campaign in public for it then. "Fix" the constitution. Let everyone you know what kind of person you are.

[Ahovv]

I mean Hobby Lobby already does.

...I'm asking if you think that's acceptable.

[Bullettime]

...I'm asking if you think that's acceptable.

I think it's a company's prerogative as long as they don't discriminate against what the government determines a protected class and they're up front about it.

[Ahovv]

So you think being a nazi should be a protected class? Go campaign in public for it then. "Fix" the constitution. Let everyone you know what kind of person you are.

I think virtually all political beliefs should be protected. Unless you explicitly bring them up at the work place, there's no good reason to fire you. Your employer shouldn't control what you're allowed to say on your free time. Obviously if you're breaking the law, you'll go to jail and get fired anyway.

edit: It's actually hilarious how in this specific case (because it's a SCARY NAZI) people actually love the idea of their employer policing their speech on their free time. It's truly a dangerous precedent and could be applied in myriad other way unrelated to "Nazis."

Remember:

[Bullettime]

I think virtually all political beliefs should be protected. Unless you explicitly bring them up at the work place, there's no good reason to fire you. Your employer shouldn't control what you're allowed to say on your free time. Obviously if you're breaking the law, you'll go to jail and get fired anyway.

You're still a representative of the company. If companies allowed people advocating hate speech to work for them, they get attached with that ideology and branded. Disassociation allows them to protect themselves.

Again, they don't care what you believe in. But if you work for say A&B Bank (made up name) and get caught holding a sign at a neo Nazi rally, the bank then becomes associated with you as well.

[buck008]

So you think being a nazi should be a protected class? Go campaign in public for it then. "Fix" the constitution. Let everyone you know what kind of person you are.

That's not the argument being made. The argument is that political affiliation is already protected.

[Bullettime]

That's not the argument being made. The argument is that political affiliation is already protected.

Being a white nationalist isn't a political affiliation. It's classified as a hate group even by the justice system because of the heavy emphasis on ethnic cleansing and forced segregation.

[Ahovv]

You're still a representative of the company. If companies allowed people advocating hate speech to work for them, they get attached with that ideology and branded. Disassociation allows them to protect themselves.

Again, they don't care what you believe in. But if you work for say A&B Bank (made up name) and get caught holding a sign at a neo Nazi rally, the bank then becomes associated with you as well.

You keep bringing this back to specifically Nazis, but the issue with the precedent is that it can be applied for much less severe ideologies. That is my core problem with this.

Essentially your argument is "If the company doesn't like your beliefs stated on your free time, they can fire you." That is not limited to advocating genocide.

And I mean fuck, if people actually cared about firing those who want to murder millions, they would fire the 30% of Republicans who are retarded enough to want to bomb Agrabah (an imaginary country), or half the country who wants to nuke the middle east and North Korea.

[Bullettime]

You keep bringing this back to specifically Nazis, but the issue with the precedent is that it can be applied for much less severe ideologies. That is my core problem with this.

Essentially your argument is "If the company doesn't like your beliefs stated on your free time, they can fire you." That is not limited to advocating genocide.

You're fucking ignoring that they ALREADY DO THAT and it's 100% fine. They're private entities. Companies also have the right to allow people that preach hate speech to work for them. Most just don't.

[Ahovv]

You're fucking ignoring that they ALREADY DO THAT and it's 100% fine. They're private entities. Companies also have the right to allow people that preach hate speech to work for them. Most just don't.

"At least it's not the government fucking me over."

[buck008]

Being a white nationalist isn't a political affiliation. It's classified as a hate group even by the justice system because of the heavy emphasis on ethnic cleansing and forced segregation.

There have been a couple American national socialist parties of varying levels of success as recently as the 90s.

[Ripster42]

That's not the argument being made. The argument is that political affiliation is already protected.

Affiliation with nazis and white supremacists is not a protected class as far as I'm aware with respects to employment. You'll have to cite some type of precedent. The constitution doesn't protect them any further than to deny government the ability to deny their right to peaceably assemble.