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    Oh good. Another woke independent with talking points about how the investigation is a nothingburger. We sure could use ever more of them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Just an FYI, the partisan hack group Judicial Watch issued a lawsuit that the GOP investigations into Benghazi didn't go deep enough and apparently they also want to look her emails with it. http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clin...igation-649438 So yeah, the whole bullshit about "But her emails" and Benghazi isn't over because these partisan hacks won't let it go. So here comes the 9th investigation and what the 4th or so into her emails.
    And yet, as Edge is saying . . . Russia is a "nothingburger"

    These people are insane.
    Putin khuliyo

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    Trump campaign emails show aide’s repeated efforts to set up Russia meetings

    Three days after Donald Trump named his campaign foreign policy team in March 2016, the youngest of the new advisers sent an email to seven campaign officials with the subject line: “Meeting with Russian Leadership - Including Putin.”

    The adviser, George Papadopoulos, offered to set up “a meeting between us and the Russian leadership to discuss US-Russia ties under President Trump,” telling them his Russian contacts welcomed the opportunity, according to internal campaign emails read to The Washington Post.

    The proposal sent a ripple of concern through campaign headquarters in Trump Tower. Campaign co-chairman Sam Clovis wrote that he thought NATO allies should be consulted before any plans were made. Another Trump adviser, retired Navy Rear Adm. Charles Kubic, cited legal concerns, including a possible violation of U.S. sanctions against Russia and of the Logan Act, which prohibits U.S. citizens from unauthorized negotiation with foreign governments.

    But Papadopoulos, a campaign volunteer with scant foreign policy experience, persisted. Between March and September, the self-described energy consultant sent at least a half-dozen requests for Trump, as he turned from primary candidate to party nominee, or for members of his team to meet with Russian officials. Among those to express concern about the effort was then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who rejected in May 2016 a proposal from Papadopoulos for Trump to do so.

    The exchanges are among more than 20,000 pages of documents the Trump campaign turned over to congressional committees this month after review by White House and defense lawyers. The selection of Papadopoulos’s emails were read to The Post by a person with access to them. Two other people with access to the emails confirmed the general tone of the exchanges and some specific passages within them.

    Papadopoulos emerges from the sample of emails as a new and puzzling figure in the examination of the Trump campaign’s contacts with Russian officials and their proxies during the 2016 election, now the subject of a special-counsel investigation.

    Less than a decade out of college, Papadopoulos appeared to hold little sway within the campaign, and it is unclear whether he was acting as an intermediary for the Russian government, although he told campaign officials he was.

    While the emails illustrate his eagerness to strengthen the campaign’s connections to the Russian government, Papadopoulos does not spell out in them why it would be in Trump’s interest to do so. His entreaties appear to have generated more concern than excitement within the campaign, which at the time was looking to seal the Republican nomination and take on a heavily favored Hillary Clinton in the general election.

    But the internal resistance to Papadopoulos’s requests is at odds with other overtures Trump allies were making toward Russia at the time, mostly at a more senior level of the campaign.

    Three months after Papadopoulos raised the possibility of a meeting between Trump and Russian President Vladi*mir Putin, the president’s son Donald Trump Jr. and son-in-law Jared Kushner met with a delegation led by a Russian lawyer offering to provide damaging information on Clinton.

    Manafort attended that Trump Tower session in June 2016, a meeting now under scrutiny in the special counsel’s collusion inquiry. But the new emails reveal that Manafort had rejected a request from Papadopoulos just the previous month to set up a meeting between Trump and Russian officials.

    In July 2016 and again two months later, Jeff Sessions, then a senator and senior foreign policy adviser to Trump, met with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak.

    And also in July, a few weeks after Papadopoulos asked his superiors whether other campaign advisers or aides could accept some of the Russians’ invitations, Carter Page, another foreign policy adviser, spoke at a Russian university in Moscow. Page said he made the trip independently of the campaign.

    To experts in Russian intelligence gathering, the Papadopoulos chain offers further evidence that Russians were looking for entry points and playing upon connections with lower-level aides to penetrate the 2016 campaign.

    Former CIA director John Brennan in May told the House Intelligence Committee that he had seen worrisome evidence of “contacts and interactions” between Russian officials and the Trump campaign, although he offered no specifics.

    Steven L. Hall, who retired from the CIA in 2015 after 30 years of managing the agency’s Russia operations, said when told by The Post about the emails: “The bottom line is that there’s no doubt in my mind that the Russian government was casting a wide net when they were looking at the American election. I think they were doing very basic intelligence work: Who’s out there? Who’s willing to play ball? And how can we use them?”

    Papadopoulos, a former intern and researcher at the conservative Hudson Institute, was on a list of campaign volunteers that Trump announced as his foreign policy advisory team during a meeting with The Post’s editorial board in March 2016. Trump called Papadopoulos an “excellent guy.”

    Almost immediately, Papadopoulos came under scrutiny for his lack of experience. He graduated from college in 2009, and his LinkedIn profile cited his participation in a Model U.N. program for students among his qualifications. Papadopoulos did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

    Page, who has been the subject of a foreign surveillance warrant over his connections to Russia, said the Papadopoulos email exchange was another sign that the Russia communications were inconsequential.

    “The entirely benign offer from a volunteer member of the Trump movement is infinitely less relevant than the real collusion in the 2016 election,” said Page, who was copied on the first Papadopoulos email communication in March. Page said in an email exchange Saturday that “the real scandal lies among Clinton and Obama associates who fed false evidence” to investigators that he said formed the basis of the federal warrant concerning him.

    Almost immediately, Papadopoulos came under scrutiny for his lack of experience. He graduated from college in 2009, and his LinkedIn profile cited his participation in a Model U.N. program for students among his qualifications. Papadopoulos did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

    Page, who has been the subject of a foreign surveillance warrant over his connections to Russia, said the Papadopoulos email exchange was another sign that the Russia communications were inconsequential.

    “The entirely benign offer from a volunteer member of the Trump movement is infinitely less relevant than the real collusion in the 2016 election,” said Page, who was copied on the first Papadopoulos email communication in March. Page said in an email exchange Saturday that “the real scandal lies among Clinton and Obama associates who fed false evidence” to investigators that he said formed the basis of the federal warrant concerning him.

    [Special counsel Mueller can investigate any crimes he uncovers in Russia probe]

    Papadopoulos made more than a half-dozen overtures on behalf of Russians or people with Russia contacts whom he claimed to know.

    On March 24, Clovis, the campaign co-chairman who also served on the foreign policy team, reacted to one proposed Russia meeting by writing, “We thought we probably should not go forward with any meeting with the Russians until we have had occasion to sit with our NATO allies.”

    In the same email chain, Kubic, the retired admiral, reminded others about legal restrictions on meetings with certain Russian officials, adding, “Just want to make sure that no one on the team outruns their headlights and embarrasses the campaign.”

    Undeterred, Papadopoulos alerted then-campaign manager Corey Lewandowski in an April email that he was receiving “a lot of calls over the past month” about arranging a Russia meeting.

    “Putin wants to host the Trump team when the time is right,” he wrote on April 27.

    On May 4, Papadopoulos forwarded Lewandowski and others a note he received from the program head for the government-funded Russian International Affairs Council. In it, Ivan Timofeev, a senior official in the organization, reached out to report that Russian foreign ministry officials were open to a Trump visit to Moscow and requested that the campaign and Russians write a formal letter outlining the meeting.

    Clovis responded to the Timofeev invitation by noting: “There are legal issues we need to mitigate, meeting with foreign officials as a private citizen.”

    The email chain does not show a response from Lewandowski, who did not return calls seeking comment.

    Several weeks later, Papadopoulos forwarded the same message from Timofeev to Manafort, the newly named campaign chairman.

    “Russia has been eager to meet with Mr. Trump for some time and have been reaching out to me to discuss,” the adviser told Manafort.

    Manafort reacted coolly, forwarding the email to his associate Rick Gates, with a note: “We need someone to communicate that DT is not doing these trips.”

    Gates agreed and told Manafort he would ask the campaign’s correspondence coordinator to handle it — “the person responding to all mail of non-importance” — to signify this did not need a senior official to respond.

    Papadopoulos made more than a half-dozen overtures on behalf of Russians or people with Russia contacts whom he claimed to know.

    On March 24, Clovis, the campaign co-chairman who also served on the foreign policy team, reacted to one proposed Russia meeting by writing, “We thought we probably should not go forward with any meeting with the Russians until we have had occasion to sit with our NATO allies.”

    In the same email chain, Kubic, the retired admiral, reminded others about legal restrictions on meetings with certain Russian officials, adding, “Just want to make sure that no one on the team outruns their headlights and embarrasses the campaign.”

    Undeterred, Papadopoulos alerted then-campaign manager Corey Lewandowski in an April email that he was receiving “a lot of calls over the past month” about arranging a Russia meeting.

    “Putin wants to host the Trump team when the time is right,” he wrote on April 27.

    On May 4, Papadopoulos forwarded Lewandowski and others a note he received from the program head for the government-funded Russian International Affairs Council. In it, Ivan Timofeev, a senior official in the organization, reached out to report that Russian foreign ministry officials were open to a Trump visit to Moscow and requested that the campaign and Russians write a formal letter outlining the meeting.

    Clovis responded to the Timofeev invitation by noting: “There are legal issues we need to mitigate, meeting with foreign officials as a private citizen.”

    The email chain does not show a response from Lewandowski, who did not return calls seeking comment.

    Several weeks later, Papadopoulos forwarded the same message from Timofeev to Manafort, the newly named campaign chairman.

    “Russia has been eager to meet with Mr. Trump for some time and have been reaching out to me to discuss,” the adviser told Manafort.

    Manafort reacted coolly, forwarding the email to his associate Rick Gates, with a note: “We need someone to communicate that DT is not doing these trips.”

    Gates agreed and told Manafort he would ask the campaign’s correspondence coordinator to handle it — “the person responding to all mail of non-importance” — to signify this did not need a senior official to respond.

    [FBI conducted predawn raid of former Trump campaign chairman Manafort’s home]

    A spokesman for Manafort, whose Virginia home was raided by FBI agents three weeks ago as part of an investigation by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, said the email chain provides “concrete evidence that the Russia collusion narrative is fake news.”

    “Mr. Manafort’s swift action reflects the attitude of the campaign — any invitation by Russia, directly or indirectly, would be rejected outright,” Manafort spokesman Jason Maloni said in a statement.

    In an email to The Post, Timofeev confirmed that his organization had discussed a meeting with the Trump campaign in the spring of 2016.

    The Russian International Affairs Council was created in 2010 by a decree of then-President Dmitry Medvedev as a project of various Russian government agencies. It is led by former foreign minister Igor Ivanov. Its board includes Russia’s current foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, as well as top Russian scholars and business leaders, among them the chairman of Alfa-Bank and Sberbank, two of Russia’s largest banks.

    “We discussed the idea informally as one of the opportunities for . . . dialogue between Russia and the U.S.,” Timofeev said in the email. “RIAC often hosts meetings with prominent political figures and experts from the US and many other countries.”

    He said the group would have been open to meeting with other campaigns.

    Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill said officials with the Democrat’s campaign have “no recollections or record” of having been contacted by the group. Similarly an adviser to the Barack Obama’s first presidential campaign, former Russian ambassador Michael McFaul, said he could not recall any similar invitation.
    It continues. North Korea or not, Nazis or not (God I wish I didn't have to write that), golfing and tweeting or not, Mueller is not going away.

    Drip. Drip. Drip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Drip. Drip. Drip.

    Trump campaign emails show aide’s repeated efforts to set up Russia meetings



    It continues. North Korea or not, Nazis or not (God I wish I didn't have to write that), golfing and tweeting or not, Mueller is not going away.

    Drip. Drip. Drip.
    But Breccia, to some people like Bucksparkles, there has been nothing for 7 months. So obviously that means he is in the clear, right? /s

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    More LOL -

    Manafort spokesman: New report shows 'concrete evidence' that Russia collusion is 'fake news'

    According to the Post, Papadopoulos sent at least six requests for Trump or team members to meet with Russian officials. But Manafort, who had his home raided by the FBI last month, allegedly rejected in May 2016 a proposal from the adviser to have Trump partake in the meetings.

    In response to the requests, Manafort allegedly forwarded the email to an associate, with a note: “We need someone to communicate that DT is not doing these trips.”

    "Mr. Manafort’s swift action reflects the attitude of the campaign – any invitation by Russia, directly or indirectly, would be rejected outright,” Jason Maloni, Manafort’s spokesman, said. “His request that the response come from a low level staffer sent a clear signal that the invitation did not merit consideration. This is concrete evidence the Russia collusion narrative is fake news."
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    Lol faux news. Also, you don't impanel grand juries if there is no evidence. You Trumpanzees are cute.

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    Lol faux news. Also, you don't impanel grand juries if there is no evidence. You Trumpanzees are cute.
    The only thing anti-Trumpers MAY get is that Paul Manafort might have had some shady financial dealings with the Ukraine, probably some tax issues and not declaring all of his income. That has NOTHING to do with Trump, NOTHING to do with "Russia collusion".

    The anit-Trumpers are so DESPERATE they will take ANYTHING just so they don't have to admit that they have been sold a bullshit line by a bunch of fucking losers (the MSM and Hillary Clinton) that cannot believe they got their ass kicked so badly in November.

    Also - for all of you people that like to cling to the "Watergate took 2 years" - within 6 months of the Watergate break-in, people were already going to JAIL! It has been 7 months of "Russia, Russia, Russia" and NOT ONE PERSON HAS EVEN BEEN INDICTED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransath View Post
    The only thing anti-Trumpers MAY get is that Paul Manafort might have had some shady financial dealings with the Ukraine, probably some tax issues and not declaring all of his income. That has NOTHING to do with Trump, NOTHING to do with "Russia collusion".
    Well, at least you're eyes are opening a little - you're now open to the idea that something happened.


    The anit-Trumpers are so DESPERATE they will take ANYTHING just so they don't have to admit that they have been sold a bullshit line by a bunch of fucking losers (the MSM and Hillary Clinton) that cannot believe they got their ass kicked so badly in November.
    We're not desperate - we're just paying attention. You should try it - it's liberating. Or are Grand Jury's paneled just for shits and giggles?


    Also - for all of you people that like to cling to the "Watergate took 2 years" - within 6 months of the Watergate break-in, people were already going to JAIL! It has been 7 months of "Russia, Russia, Russia" and NOT ONE PERSON HAS EVEN BEEN INDICTED.
    Can you tell me why some people went to jail with six months of the break in? Hint - break in.

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    Is this the same Manafort that had a no-knock warrant issued for a pre-dawn FBI raid at his home?

    Seems totally like the most trustworthy guy.

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    You sure got the LOL right at least. Are you actually linking something that says the person accused is saying it's all fake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransath View Post
    The only thing anti-Trumpers MAY get is that Paul Manafort might have had some shady financial dealings with the Ukraine, probably some tax issues and not declaring all of his income. That has NOTHING to do with Trump, NOTHING to do with "Russia collusion".

    The anit-Trumpers are so DESPERATE they will take ANYTHING just so they don't have to admit that they have been sold a bullshit line by a bunch of fucking losers (the MSM and Hillary Clinton) that cannot believe they got their ass kicked so badly in November.

    Also - for all of you people that like to cling to the "Watergate took 2 years" - within 6 months of the Watergate break-in, people were already going to JAIL! It has been 7 months of "Russia, Russia, Russia" and NOT ONE PERSON HAS EVEN BEEN INDICTED.
    From Trump Jr.: “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.” Yes. This MSM propaganda. In emails. He volunteered. Himself. Receiving something of value, knowingly, from a foreign power in regard to a campaign. Knowingly shows intent. It's not so much that money magically appeared in their accounts; you can't stop the flow of dark money, but you can stop when a foreign agent asks to offer support. Let's not forget all the other LITERAL registered foreign agents on the campaign.

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    For more fun reading, this former federal prosecutor lays out a compelling argument why Mueller probably has Trump's tax returns by now.

    Not expecting a leak, but, that's a fucking impervious shield to being fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransath View Post
    Still repeating the bullshit, eh? You never responded to my earlier critique, because it’s obvious once again the you are way over your head here.

    Let’s assume Binney is a reliable source, even though he hasn’t done actual tech work in 16 years and has a major axe to grind against the intelligence community. Binney makes two claims:

    1) The NSA records anything and everything and keeps it all. “They caught that China hack, so there’s no reason they wouldn’t have gotten the DNC hack. They haven't shown the evidence, so it must not exist.” A ridiculous claim on any level. The NSA could not record all Internet traffic when he left it sixteen years ago, and it doesn’t now. Physically impossible. They only way the NSA would have this traffic recorded was if they were targeting it. They have a wide net, but not a global one. Especially if the hack is jumping through a series of anonymous proxies.

    2) Binney just revealed in this interview what I suspected from that dumb-as-shit article… he doesn’t have first hand data of the log. Watch that video at the 2:00 mark…
    We had a fella who, uh, basically had access, it’s seems to me he had to have access to the network log of the DNC server
    So Binney hasn’t actually seen this log or have proof of its origin or contents. Right. Which explains why we haven’t gotten answers to any of the other questions like:
    Where is this log that the anonymous hacker claims he analyzed?
    What type of log is it? Web server? File server?
    What was the destination IP of the file transfer? That would show who received it. Internal or external? Seems weird that this info would be missing, it’s kind of important.

    3) You still haven’t addressed my earlier point that direct file transfer of large data files is not how hacks like this operate, making direct internet speeds irrelevant. Hackers inside the network stage the file internally, then trickle it out to reduce detection.

    This entire theory shows once again that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Anyone with more than minimal security knowledge knows this junk has no legs, but it’s great for fooling rubes who Want to Believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransath View Post
    The only thing anti-Trumpers MAY get is that Paul Manafort might have had some shady financial dealings with the Ukraine, probably some tax issues and not declaring all of his income. That has NOTHING to do with Trump, NOTHING to do with "Russia collusion".

    The anit-Trumpers are so DESPERATE they will take ANYTHING just so they don't have to admit that they have been sold a bullshit line by a bunch of fucking losers (the MSM and Hillary Clinton) that cannot believe they got their ass kicked so badly in November.

    Also - for all of you people that like to cling to the "Watergate took 2 years" - within 6 months of the Watergate break-in, people were already going to JAIL! It has been 7 months of "Russia, Russia, Russia" and NOT ONE PERSON HAS EVEN BEEN INDICTED.
    Someone's upset because he sees the sharks circling.



    It's okay Ransath. You got a long life ahead of you. You'll never recover from the moral compromise but the pain will lessen in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    For more fun reading, this former federal prosecutor lays out a compelling argument why Mueller probably has Trump's tax returns by now.

    Not expecting a leak, but, that's a fucking impervious shield to being fired.
    Great article - thanks for posting it. Great analysis of the current (possible) investigation.

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    OK, this conspiracy is even less founded than I thought.
    I actually went and read "The Forensicator" blog, and his evidence is not only based on a lot of conjecture about what operations "probably" or "likely" were done on data, it's entirely based on modified time stamps on the files!

    There wasn't even a log! (Hence no IPs).

    So, I was right, Binney's interview quote was full of shit:
    We had a fella who, uh, basically had access, it’s seems to me he had to have access to the network log of the DNC server
    What a crock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Someone's upset because he sees the sharks circling.



    It's okay Ransath. You got a long life ahead of you. You'll never recover from the moral compromise but the pain will lessen in time.
    By this point - 7 months in to the Watergate investigation - people involved in Watergate were already going to jail.

    You have nothing. NOTHING. All you have is a "special council" that is TRYING to find a crime - because there is none. You have 5 separate investigations on-going that have produced not ONE FUCKING THING! You would think by now at least ONE of them might have found something. But, sadly for you and your anti-Trump buddies, you got NOTHING.

    Just look at my sig for the reason that I laugh at all the hyperbole you spew on this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransath View Post
    By this point - 7 months in to the Watergate investigation - people involved in Watergate were already going to jail.

    You have nothing. NOTHING. All you have is a "special council" that is TRYING to find a crime - because there is none. You have 5 separate investigations on-going that have produced not ONE FUCKING THING! You would think by now at least ONE of them might have found something. But, sadly for you and your anti-Trump buddies, you got NOTHING.

    Just look at my sig for the reason that I laugh at all the hyperbole you spew on this forum.
    Boy, this didn't last long:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ransath View Post
    Actually, it is pointless to further even post on this board.

    I will just wait until Mueller comes back and the only indictments he hands down are for people in the Obama administration - or maybe when Trump runs for re-election in 2020, Until then, you people are really not even remotely worth my time it takes to type my replies.

    CYA - and Bye, Felicia.
    So pointless that not even a week later you're back to struggling to defend your God Emperor. Or are you admitting that your time isn't actually worth anything after all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurinaux View Post
    Why did Trump research the limits of his pardoning power with regards to pardoning himself?
    Because he had a very brief and fading interest in how his job works?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransath View Post
    By this point - 7 months in to the Watergate investigation - people involved in Watergate were already going to jail.

    You have nothing. NOTHING. All you have is a "special council" that is TRYING to find a crime - because there is none. You have 5 separate investigations on-going that have produced not ONE FUCKING THING! You would think by now at least ONE of them might have found something. But, sadly for you and your anti-Trump buddies, you got NOTHING.

    Just look at my sig for the reason that I laugh at all the hyperbole you spew on this forum.
    We're taking your President from you.
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