Trumps blames "alt left" for Charlottesville and "very fine people" on both sides.

[Edge-]

Just so we are clear which monuments trump wants to safeguard...



Anyone that still supports Trump is a deplorable.

Yep, this is super accurate. I long for the days when it was Republicans that were environmental conservatives seeking to preserve our countries natural wonders and treasures.

[Orbitus]

What the hell flag is that three-by-three star in the back? Is that the Confederate Flag of Brooklyn?

Nope it's this one: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us%7Dnsm88.gif

Its a National Socialist Movement of the USA flag. That guy is just holding it weird. You can see the black of the swastika and the top part of the flag.

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Yep, this is super accurate. I long for the days when it was Republicans that were environmental conservatives seeking to preserve our countries natural wonders and treasures.

The last time they were like this, was before the parties effectively switched. Which is why it is basically a Democrat platform now.

[Glorious Leader]

Yep, this is super accurate. I long for the days when it was Republicans that were environmental conservatives seeking to preserve our countries natural wonders and treasures.

Not since teddy roosevelt. Conservatives should be naturally adept at conservationism. Not so much apparently.

[Kujako]

Not since teddy roosevelt. Conservatives should be naturally adept at conservationism. Not so much apparently.

Hell, even Nixon passed the clean air & water acts.

[Glorious Leader]

Hell, even Nixon passed the clean air & water acts.

Thats right. The EPA started under nixon. My god these people today are off the fucking spectrum.

[Breccia]

I was just on Breitbart...y'all know why...and found this.

Chelsea Clinton on Confederate Statues: Christians Don’t Memorialize the Devil for His Rebellion

I...am confused. That's an excellent analogy. Why would Breitbart post this?

[DarkTZeratul]

I was just on Breitbart...y'all know why...and found this.

Chelsea Clinton on Confederate Statues: Christians Don’t Memorialize the Devil for His Rebellion

I...am confused. That's an excellent analogy. Why would Breitbart post this?

I'm gonna guess that with Bannon out, they're turning against Trump. Even if it means pinching their nose and agreeing with Democrats.

[Breccia]

I'm gonna guess that with Bannon out, they're turning against Trump.

I don't get that vibe. But yeah, let's keep an eye on them in the future. It could be...interesting.

[Amarao]

Ctrl-left is just a derogatory form of alt-left.

Wiktionary: The term was cited on 2016-07-20.
Urban dictionary: Earliest definition is on 2016-11-19.

According to Tim Pool:

The alt left believes hate speech is not protected speech and often takes issues with journalism. They have issues with the 1st amendment in the US.
Liberals and left leaning people in the US do believe in free speech and a free press so it is important not to lump everyone into the same group.

In the video Tim touches on the origins of the alt-right. Early on the alt-right were "socially liberal and fiscally conservative" people, but later disavowed the alt-right because the leaders are (actual) racists. They were then dubbed alt-light.

Just out of curiosity.
In an alternate reality where Trump was not president and your preferred candidate won.
What do you believe would have been the correct response for your preferred candidate?

[Breccia]

What do you believe would have been the correct response for your preferred candidate?

Why go hypothetical? Pick literally any Senator, Representative, Mayor, Governor or former on that list. Read or listen to what they said.

Trump picked the single worst way to go on this. Everyone called him out for it.

[DarkTZeratul]

I don't get that vibe. But yeah, let's keep an eye on them in the future. It could be...interesting.

This aged well. :P

[Breccia]

This aged well. :P

And that was, what, a few hours? My prediction rate ain't great, but hey, closure!

[Halicia]

Why go hypothetical? Pick literally any Senator, Representative, Mayor, Governor or former on that list. Read or listen to what they said.

Trump picked the single worst way to go on this. Everyone called him out for it.

Maine's governor Lepage (who was Trump before Trump), not only backed up Trump on this, but went one further.

He said that if people don't want to be victims to this sort of crime, they should be carrying guns. (although what good a gun will do in a crowd against a speeding vehicle, you tell me.)

And then said they were also to blame for being in a "large group".

So yeah... I guess the freedom to assemble is only applicable if you forfeit your right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

[Glorious Leader]

Maine's governor Lepage (who was Trump before Trump), not only backed up Trump on this, but went one further.

He said that if people don't want to be victims to this sort of crime, they should be carrying guns. (although what good a gun will do in a crowd against a speeding vehicle, you tell me.)

And then said they were also to blame for being in a "large group".

So yeah... I guess the freedom to assemble is only applicable if you forfeit your right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Yes! An endless vendetta state! Guns and more guns! Why is life so cheap for conservatives?

[primalmatter]

Confederate flags have ALWAYS been racist.

They're a flag of Rebellion against the Constitution. They're the flag of a Southern Slave Power. They're the flag of people owning people.

Those who created it and carried it sought to defeat the United States in a military confrontation fought over slavery. They were defeated by Americans carrying the Stars and Stripes.

It's an American Swastika, nothing less. It is the dark mirror to Old Glory.

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Creeping moral decay. Are you fucking serious.

You elected Donald Trump. You spend MONTHS defending him. And you have the stones to complain about MORAL decay?

Yes. There is a moral decay problem in America. But look in the mirror. Its you. You compromised your morality to support Trump and you compromise it every day you defend him.

The very FIRST reason I decided I could not stand with Trump, well over 20 months ago now, was on the basis of his racism and lifetime of ammorality. In fact, most of my arguments frame my opposition to him in moral terms. And what have you and your ilk been doing? Trumpsplaining for 20 months. Looking past the racism, the ammorality and the lies.

The moral problem lies with you. Not with us. My conscience is clear. I've been on the moral side since the start.

Problem is we both have.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Confederate flags have ALWAYS been racist.

They're a flag of Rebellion against the Constitution. They're the flag of a Southern Slave Power. They're the flag of people owning people.

Those who created it and carried it sought to defeat the United States in a military confrontation fought over slavery. They were defeated by Americans carrying the Stars and Stripes.

It's an American Swastika, nothing less. It is the dark mirror to Old Glory.

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Creeping moral decay. Are you fucking serious.

You elected Donald Trump. You spend MONTHS defending him. And you have the stones to complain about MORAL decay?

Yes. There is a moral decay problem in America. But look in the mirror. Its you. You compromised your morality to support Trump and you compromise it every day you defend him.

The very FIRST reason I decided I could not stand with Trump, well over 20 months ago now, was on the basis of his racism and lifetime of ammorality. In fact, most of my arguments frame my opposition to him in moral terms. And what have you and your ilk been doing? Trumpsplaining for 20 months. Looking past the racism, the ammorality and the lies.

The moral problem lies with you. Not with us. My conscience is clear. I've been on the moral side since the start.

Good points but put aside all the racial/slavery stuff for a second (as bad as it is)....the Confederate flag at its core is a flag of traitors. Simple. 99% of these people flying these flags probably can't even place the date of the Civil War, much less try to explain their "southern pride."

[primalmatter]

Good points but put aside all the racial/slavery stuff for a second (as bad as it is)....the Confederate flag at its core is a flag of traitors. Simple. 99% of these people flying these flags probably can't even place the date of the Civil War, much less try to explain their "southern pride."

By that logic isn't every American a traitor to the crown?

[Breccia]

By that logic isn't every American a traitor to the crown?

Yes. And they knew it. The quote you're looking for it "We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."

[Shadowmelded]

By that logic isn't every American a traitor to the crown?

You don't consider yourselves British citizens so who cares?

[Breccia]

You don't consider yourselves British citizens so who cares?

Also, I don't see people in the UK fighting the Crown from tearing down statues of Americans. Which do exist, including Washington, which was given to them in 1924. No rallies, no graffiti, nobody being murdered because they protested...um...what's the derogatory name for Brits who put on Redcoat uniforms and say America should come back under British rule?

Nobody knows? That's because the British aren't stupid enough to relive a war they lost for a bad reason. They've accepted that was a mistake, 200+ years later we're the best of friends except for which side of the road you drive on and how many u's in "color".

Yet, we still have Americans fighting on the losing side of the Civil War. And WW2.

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I can't think of a good "Trump University" headline for this one.

University students petition to take back Trump honorary degree

Thousands of current students and graduates of a Pennsylvania university are petitioning the school to rescind the honorary degree it awarded President Trump in 1988 after he delivered the school's commencement address.

The petition, which had passed 18,000 signatures by Friday, was created by Lehigh University alumna Kelly McCoy, 22, according to Fox News. McCoy started the petition in response to Trump's comments about the violence caused by white nationalists in Charlottesville, Va., over the weekend.

"In 2011, Lehigh faculty and students drafted the 'Principles of our Equitable Community,' a document that contains guidelines for making Lehigh a more diverse and welcoming atmosphere for its students," the petition posted on Change.org reads.

"These principles are antithetical to the behaviors and statements of Donald Trump during his presidency and on the campaign trail," it continues. "Allowing Donald Trump to retain his honorary degree represents a hollow and superficial ideological commitment from Lehigh to these principles."

The petition will be delivered to Lehigh University President John D. Simon once it reaches its goal of 25,000. If the current trend continues, it should reach its target in a few days.

That number is more than two times the size of Lehigh University's current student body, which is "nearly 7,000 students" according to the university's website.

McCoy told Fox News that she believes anyone who receives an honorary degree from Lehigh should reflect the university's values.

“As a graduate of Lehigh, I am essentially an ambassador for Lehigh as well,” McCoy told Fox News. “By holding an honorary degree, Donald Trump represents Lehigh as well. Anyone who holds this honor should reflect our values -- or at least respect them.”

"It is only fair that he is held to the same standards," McCoy said.