On The Propriety Of Punching Nazis

[Draco-Onis]

Any why do you say that Trump is a Nazi sympathizer? Because he called out violence on many sides? Condemnation of everyone is not sympathy for one.

You missed the part where he said they were some very fine people from the night before you know like these guys.

[Lochton]

There are no good people on the Neo Nazi side. Saying there are, is sympathizing with them, pretty much by definition.

Ah, the fun moment where there most likely are some doctors, teachers, scientists and more, that has their own belief but doesn't feel they have to preach it.

[Bodakane]

Ah, the fun moment where there most likely are some doctors, teachers, scientists and more, that has their own belief but doesn't feel they have to preach it.

Being those things do not make a person good.

One of the things makes a person good? Not celebrating genocide.

[Livnthedream]

When Nazism first showed it was branded differently as nationalism and most people didn't know about the things they did. We are now in 2017 all the horrors of the Nazis are well known facts if someone follows that ideology they are a lost cause. I resist the notion that you can convince people that are just fine with what can only be described as pure evil.

Which makes me reiterate, what makes you think that you can 'cure' Nazism?

Also, you make want to take a gander at:

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"Everyone I don't like is a Nazi" confirmed.

Impressive. Even for the loony right.

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Curios, do theese alt-right ppl think it would be ok to attack ISIS members, who peacefully walked through the streets of New York, preaching the destruction of America and White men? I mean they'd just be speaking their opinion and using their freedom of speech, right? right? You'd most definately defend theese poor ISIS members, if someone punched them in the face right?

Nazi's does not deserve tolerance, their Whole ideology is based on intolerance.

They have walked the streets of London and Paris, unattacked, carrying the ISIS flag.

Curious, do you think it's ok if I attack people who carry Soviet flags? They ruined half Europe, conducting routine exterminations of people in places like the Baltics. Men, women, children, executed. No tolerance to anything except worshipping the hammer and sickle. Is it ok for me then to attack anyone who carries a Soviet flag?

[Livnthedream]

They dont think they can cure, they think they can purge it from humanity, by hitting them.

"What is the best way to fight Nazi's? Act just like them!"

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Impressive. Even for the loony right.

So now I'm not a Nazi, I am just loony and Right.

[Draco-Onis]

Which makes me reiterate, what makes you think that you can 'cure' Nazism?

Also, you make want to take a gander at:

Who says I advocate violence? I just think that if you need to convince someone that Nazis are bad in 2017 they are a lost cause. All you can do is isolate them as much as possible from society, hope they wither and die in their hate.

[Crispin]

They have walked the streets of London and Paris, unattacked, carrying the ISIS flag.

Curious, do you think it's ok if I attack people who carry Soviet flags? They ruined half Europe, conducting routine exterminations of people in places like the Baltics. Men, women, children, executed. No tolerance to anything except worshipping the hammer and sickle. Is it ok for me then to attack anyone who carries a Soviet flag?

The question were if you think it would be wrong to attack them?

[Daedius]

So now I'm not a Nazi, I am just loony and Right.

[OrcsRLame]

You missed the part where he said they were some very fine people from the night before you know like these guys.

He also said that the cops and National Guard did a good job, which I don't agree with at all. Do you people even listen to Trump's speeches or do you just pass around soundbites?

What Trump is trying to do is so transparent to anyone that doesn't have ideological blinders on, and frankly, I agree with Trump. He's trying to get people to just fucking chill. Condemns the violence, says the people are good and just need to learn to love each other. It's a nice, (and naive) sentiment. Even if his words won't reach either group, I think the role of government in a situation like this is protection of bystanders and deescalation of tensions. The way I see it, Trump is doing his job.

[smokii]

75 years from now, ISIS still wont have killed 10% of the people the nazis killed. It's estimated that 11 million non-combatants died to the nazis, then you can add the millions of combatants.

I have no issues with nazis beeing punched in the face, anyone defending a nazi is honestly out of his or her mind, obviously punching people for "hey nazi haircut" is utterly retarded, but the nazis in charlottesville could have been beaten to a pulp and I still wouldnt care.

yup. but it's an interesting argument to use against alt-rights who would supposedly non-violently oppose ISIS and terrorism.

Nazi's have to be universally condemned. just like ISIS.

when i get responses like "TIL the Jedi attacked anyone they even thought may be a Sith." just shows the levels of ignorance we're up against here. I'm not saying anti-fa are the good guys for going out and punching people that may or may not be Nazis. but if you're wearing a swastika, making Nazi salutes and chanting Nazi slogans, there's a pretty good chance you're a Nazi.

but if hypothetically, we let both ideas run their course, you can be damn sure the Nazis would kill a shit load of people, whilst anti-fa would be trying to build a multicultural equality based society. there's a big genocidal shift in ideology between the two.

one wants to take life away from millions of people because of their skin colour, sexual preference or religion
the other just wants everyone to be equal and not oppressed because of your skin colour, sexual preference or religion.

[Bodakane]

Which makes me reiterate, what makes you think that you can 'cure' Nazism?

Also, you make want to take a gander at:

Where did that graphic come from and what was the methodology used to determine success, failure, etc.?

[OrcsRLame]

I'm ok with 1000's of nazi's being shut down for every one guy mistakingly non-fatally stabbed.

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There are no good people on the Neo Nazi side. Saying there are, is sympathizing with them, pretty much by definition.

Serious question. After WW2, should we have held the Nuremberg Trials to determine levels of guilt and culpability, or should we have executed every German and thrown them into a mass grave?

[Draco-Onis]

He also said that the cops and National Guard did a good job, which I don't agree with at all. Do you people even listen to Trump's speeches or do you just pass around soundbites?

Do you? because saying something good and nice doesn't make a statement like they were fine neo nazis go away.

What Trump is trying to do is so transparent to anyone that doesn't have ideological blinders on, and frankly, I agree with Trump.

What is ideological about there are no fine neo nazis? please tell me what is so left or right about all nazis being shitty people.

[Vash The Stampede]

Lets have a little fun with this and reword it. That way you can see the problem with this way of thinking. The problem with hating people is that it generally creates more people that hate back. Also, you can associate a group of people unrelated to this situation through similarities. Like Nazi's are asshole's and therefore if you're an asshole then you're a Nazi. This is generally how human beings think and cause chaos.

Can I punch Assholes?

I don’t know. Can you?

I am capable of the act, yes.

Then you should.

May I?

The answer to that is also yes.

My mother told me that violence was never the answer.

My mother told me I was handsome; you can’t always listen to your mother.

What happened to letting the other guy throw the first punch?

Assholes don’t throw the first punch. Assholes watch the world burn.

Aren’t the Left supposed to be the tolerant ones?

Supposed to be the smart ones, too, but they keep falling for that “I thought you were supposed to be the tolerant ones” horseshit.

What about dialogue?

Dialogue is for reasonable people acting in good faith. Dialogue is between two acceptable positions. “Taxes need to be raised” vs. “taxes need to be lowered” is grounds for dialogue. “Taxes need to be raised” vs. “Government Mandated Health Care” is grounds for a beating.

But isn’t this sinking to their level?

That depends. After you punch the Asshole, do you espouse the tenets of National Socialism?

No.

Then you’re better than a Asshole.

But doesn’t this just give the other side ammunition?

The other side in this argument are lying fucks who can twist any piece of information into a Pepe the Frog meme if you engage them in good faith; lacking a piece of information, they’ll just make shit up. Might as well punch a Asshole.

What about peace, love, and understanding?

Great goals, and once we get rid of the Asshole's we can get to work on them. All three are completely impossible when Asshole's are about.

When should you punch a Asshole?

Whenever you get a chance. Preferably when they’re not looking.

What if they’re smaller than you?

Hit them with your fist.

What if they’re bigger?

Hit them with a bat.

Isn’t this a slippery slope?

After we defeated the Asshole's on 4Chan, did we keep meme'ing people or did the Asshole's come to YouTube comments?

The second thing.

There you go. The slippery slope argument is nine times out of ten bullshit. Human beings are good with slippery slopes: we build stairs.

What if you think you’re punching a Asshole, but you just hit a white guy with a shitty haircut?

Run.

What should you do if you hit a Asshole?

You should run then, too. Don’t get me wrong: punching Asshole's is still illegal. We’re discussing morality.

But I don’t want to punch anyone.

Then get off your duff, mister, and give aid and support to the Trolls on the forums. We’re all in this together. Again.

[Mittens]

Punching people is bad. mmmh okay.

[Sky High]

is OP going to be the Tenn of defending "Nazis" on this website or something? fucking A get a real hobby, lol.

[Independent voter]

That graph seems to explain there are some kinds of protest who can only be successful when violent, and others who fail because they were peaceful.

You can rest assured that if you broke those down that against a right-wing government only violence has a high success rate.

Gandhi used non violence against the British right after WWII and Britain was a lot more right wing at that time. Gandhi won.

Right wing governments don't mind using violence, if you're violent it gives the government free reign to be violent right back, the masses won't support you.

Come to think of it, Maduro in Venezuela is as far to the left as you can get and he's killing protesters every day.

[OrcsRLame]

Do you? because saying something good and nice doesn't make a statement like they were fine neo nazis go away.

What is ideological about there are no fine neo nazis? please tell me what is so left or right about all nazis being shitty people.

That sentiment is inherently ideological. You see the enemy as a monolith. The only way for that to not be an ideological statement is if that was based on firsthand knowledge instead of a belief. I'm willing to bet you have not personally met every neo-Nazi. You believe that all of them are bad, which is an ideological stance.

I wish people like you were honest enough to just own what you believe instead of trying to make it out to be something it's not. It's your secular religion.

I think neo-Nazis and Antifa follow an abhorrent ideology. I would sit down with any one of them, (provided my safety could be guaranteed) and try to reason them out of their beliefs. Good people will respond to rational arguments in a rational way, bad people will double down and tell you to fuck off.

Once again I'm gonna pose the question that I find myself asking more and more frequently around here. If all Nazis were shitty people, why didn't we genocide the Germans after WW2? Why did we hold the Nuremberg Trials? Should Germany have been dumped into a giant mass grave?