Democracy would fall without ANTIFA

[Machismo]

liberal eat liberal. my favorite line these days. dont worry, only time till you disagree with another lib on an issue then the fireworks begin all over again.

I'm not a liberal, I'm a small-government conservative.

[Independent voter]

Democracy would fall without the Constitution. Antifa would be gunned down in the streets like dogs without the Constitution.

[Elba]

Democracy would thrive in the absence of left and right extremes.

The old analogy that a bird has left and right wings needs updating with - "but the brain is in the middle".

Nah, moderates never accomplish anything. Stagnation and injustice would abound, my friend.

[igualitarist]

If anything can make fascism rise again, this thing is called antifa.

People dont like thugs destroying stuff and beating/yelling at other people while hiding their faces and showing off symbols of totalitarian regimes.

[Elba]

I'm not a liberal, I'm a small-government conservative.

That explains a lot. Honestly, that is a pretty great revelation and also raises my opinion of you.

I was under the impression that your views were built upon naivety. But instead the underlining core element is indifference.

Like in our earlier spat. You do understand that minorities would disproportionately suffer if people could be fired or refused service for race, orientation etc.

You do understand indeed. You just don't care. Because it would not affect you personally.

[schwarzkopf]

Nah, moderates never accomplish anything. Stagnation and injustice would abound, my friend.

Odd - moderates created civilisation, created the internet.

Don't confuse moderate with lazy - moderates just don't focus on one thing at a time.

[Machismo]

That explains a lot. Honestly, that is a pretty great revelation and also raises my opinion of you.

I was under the impression that your views were built upon naivety. But instead the underlining core element is indifference.

Like in our earlier spat. You do understand that minorities would disproportionately suffer if people could be fired or refused service for race, orientation etc.

You do understand indeed. You just don't care. Because it would not affect you personally.

That's not true at all. It's not about indifference.

I support freedom. I want freedom for everyone. People should be free to do whatever they want, so long as it does not harm others. Refusing to serve someone does not harm them. Refusing to hire them does not harm them.

[Phuongvi]

Maybe the street are not full of skinhead because of them but the streets are now full of terrorist because of them.

[Elba]

Odd - moderates created civilisation, created the internet.

Don't confuse moderate with lazy - moderates just don't focus on one thing at a time.

No they didn't. Everything of importance was done or gained by a progressive.

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That's not true at all. It's not about indifference.

I support freedom. I want freedom for everyone.

People discriminated against aren't free. And not everyone is on equal footing. You want freedom for everyone. But in such a system some, like yourself, would be more free. You would have an absolute advantage over others. That extra freedom would not apply to the majority. Minorities would get fucked in the ass. Like they always have been whenever such shit was legal.

People should be free to do whatever they want, so long as it does not harm others. Refusing to serve someone does not harm them. Refusing to hire them does not harm them.

It does harm people if it is wide spread. One company doing such shit might not matter in the grand scheme of things. But 2 or 10 or a hundred will severely hamper minorities.

For example gay or trans people would be forced to live in the closet. Which would hamper their freedom. Like they did before, and still often do. Learn from history, man. Johnny is gay. But Johnny has to hide being gay because otherwise he will lose his fucking job. How is that freedom?

[schwarzkopf]

Everything of importance was done or gained by a progressive.

Yeah - a progressive moderate...

The very nature of progressive is to take in the best of all worlds, to combine them and advance society, that is a moderate at heart.

For example - a moderate believes in capitalism and socialism working together, best of both worlds.

Radicals end up as either Communism for Fascism or Oligarchy or Anarchy or Totalitarian etc.

[Sinyc]

But they provide a role model and inspiration for the general population to dream on and aspire to an open society.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No they don't. They are mocked by almost everyone... except other Antifa folks. I get this was a troll post, but come on. You almost cost me $200 when I spit my drink all over my PC area.

[Machismo]

No they didn't. Everything of importance was done or gained by a progressive.

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People discriminated against aren't free. And not everyone is on equal footing. You want freedom for everyone. But in such a system some, like yourself, would be more free. You would have an absolute advantage over others. That extra freedom would not apply to the majority. Minorities would get fucked in the ass. Like they always have been whenever such shit was legal.



It does harm people if it is wide spread. One company doing such shit might not matter in the grand scheme of things. But 2 or 10 or a hundred will severely hamper minorities.

For example gay or trans people would be forced to live in the closet. Which would hamper their freedom. Like they did before, and still often do. Learn from history, man. Johnny is gay. But Johnny has to hide being gay because otherwise he will lose his fucking job. How is that freedom?

We all discriminate against people every single day. Choosing who to date is discrimination Choosing where to eat... more discrimination. Choosing whom to hire, what store to shop at... all forms of a person using discrimination when making decisions.

[jibberbox85]

not sure why any of you bother with Elba he's as big a waste of oxygen as the op

100 % agree.

[Elba]

We all discriminate against people every single day. Choosing who to date is discrimination Choosing where to eat... more discrimination. Choosing whom to hire, what store to shop at... all forms of a person using discrimination when making decisions.

And most of those things don't fuck over people in the way the other two examples do. It's already hard enough on the job market for black people as is. If you open legal floodgates you're reducing the freedom of millions. Or gays. Should a gay person have to be closeted so they can shop or retain a job?

You would not suffer, Machismo. You would hardly feel a difference. Minorities? They'd be fucked. And that is where the indifference lies. Not my problem, so not a problem for anybody else.

[Machismo]

And most of those things don't fuck over people in the way the other two examples do. It's already hard enough on the job market for black people as is. If you open legal floodgates you're reducing the freedom of millions. Or gays. Should a gay person have to be closeted so they can shop or retain a job?

You would not suffer, Machismo. You would hardly feel a difference. Minorities? They'd be fucked. And that is where the indifference lies. Not my problem, so not a problem for anybody else.

That's strange, in my city, I am a minority. In my company, I am a minority.

If you don't like discrimination, then don't discriminate. If you don't support a business that discriminates, then don't patronize that business. Stop whining, take some responsibility for your actions, and stop trying to force your views onto others.

[Elba]

Stop whining, take some responsibility for your actions, and stop trying to force your views onto others.

Yup. Conservative alright. Johnny's own fault he got fired. If he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps...err I mean stayed in the closet.

Fuck you, got mine.
- Machismo.

[Machismo]

Yup. Conservative alright. Johnny's own fault he got fired. If he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps...err I mean stayed in the closet.

Fuck you, got mine.
- Machismo.

No, he should find a better employer, one who's not a homophobic asshat. You should refuse to give your money to such a business.

[Elba]

No, he should find a better employer, one who's not a homophobic asshat. You should refuse to give your money to such a business.

Easier said than done when you're a minority and large parts of the majority want to fuck with you. Privilege, mate.

[Gref]

These last topics by Kurata are great.

Great to read while drinking my cold black coffee. I don't know I somewhat enjoy these.

Delusion levels are off the charts. Simply amazing.

[Lochton]

See, in a just world antifa wouldn't even exist because the state would stomp the Nazis. Don't you want Nazis to be stomped?

Of course I do but not and a braindead mindlesly stupid method that Antifa is doing. They might not kill people of we know off but they apparently by news, ruin just as many lives without killing.

Heck, fucking rumours state that a mob of Antifa has a chance of attacking one of their own just because they look like a neo-nazi. Again, only stated rumors, I don't really give a damn about them and their methods should be a signed document for prison.

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So, do you approve Nazis running amok and threatening and killing people? Yes or No?

I approve hitting Nazis. Your turn.

The fuck? So, you approve some of the 'nazi' methods as long as you aren't a nazi? And by your statement, you deserve jail time if you do so.

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Not really. No antifa = bolder Nazis = more dead innocent people.

Except, some nazis are bolder because of antifa.

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Ya Im liberal as fuck and Im not cool with physical violence on innocent people including nazis.... lol "innocent and nazi" in a sentence like that felt odd to read

Ugh, this is where it starts getting stupid. A nazi can be innocent, you can be a nazi without having taken a life. Just throwing that out there. Else, you know, no religious person is innocent, etc etc etc.

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Your statement is false. You have been provided with plenty of instances where they attacked innocent people, and destroyed the property of innocent companies.

Bottom line... you are full of shit.

Ah, was just about to but good to see others state it as well.

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I trust antifa to make the right decision.

See now, this is a video that sounds too dumb that it could be true. I don't know but one of the first things that appear to be a bit.. WTF..