The CASUALties of 7.3 -- Free loot for everyone

[Zeidia]

I'll never get the argument about not worrying what other people have. I would get it if it was a single-player game but it's not. The game is supposed to be immersive and therefore characters in it could and should be compared to each other to an extent - they all play in the same world and oblige the same rules. Having absolutely no sense of gear-distribution takes off a feeling that you're going somewhere with your character. If you just log in to RP in greys or to read quest-texts then sure, gear probably doesn't concern you. This expansion I am one of those 'filthy casuals' who barely does anything serious but I have been extremely lucky with gear and let me tell you - it is boring. It just simply feels like going to a casino and landing a great win. I would get a better feeling if I actually had to work for that win but what's the point when noone else works, only gambles? This is, however, my personal view and I understand I am probably a minority since most people who are subbed are that for a reason - they enjoy all the RNG, WF/TF etc. I knew I wouldn't enjoy being a hamster in a running wheel which is why I retreated to being a casual and having my piles of gold paying for my sub for at least 10 more years or so, even if I don't log on more than once a week.

However, one of the main concerns people seem to have with organised pugging (M, M+, N/HC etc) is that people ask for retarded ilvl-s. That is a straight result of WF/TF. Sure, people have asked for high ilvl-s in previous expansions but never before has the ilvl and completed content being so disconnected. If you are on the lucky side you simply have higher ilvl than people who might be way better than you but are not as lucky - and they will get insta-declined because of this hyper-inflation of gear. This also leads to a point where something like 910 ilvl people who would be regarded as very decently geared players at this point in this expansion if TF didn't exist, are not taken to anything remotely challenging since there's a huge possibility that they have just lucked out with gear and are actually clueless monkeys.

It's so funny how the people like you still bitching about TF/WF like that. Yes TF can proc for a casual and can make him to have 1 excelent item but if he raids HC and you raid mythic at the end you will have a lot more gear than him since you can get TF too, so IMO WF/TF just give oportunities to people who can't take the time to raid mythic, without making them better than the actual people who raids it. Are you mad because some casual have the trinket that you are looking for and TF 955? get over it.
I seriously doubt that someone who raids HC would have 940+ ilvl atm, so at the end if you are good you will have better gear than someone who don't.
Tl;DR - Stop with that childish attitude, if you are good you have better gear.

[Mlz]

It's so funny how the people like you still bitching about TF/WF like that. Yes TF can proc for a casual and can make him to have 1 excelent item but if he raids HC and you raid mythic at the end you will have a lot more gear than him since you can get TF too, so IMO WF/TF just give oportunities to people who can't take the time to raid mythic, without making them better than the actual people who raids it. Are you mad because some casual have the trinket that you are looking for and TF 955? get over it.
I seriously doubt that someone who raids HC would have 940+ ilvl atm, so at the end if you are good you will have better gear than someone who don't.
Tl;DR - Stop with that childish attitude, if you are good you have better gear.

Glad to see you have mastered reading comprehension.

[Zeidia]

Glad to see you have mastered reading comprehension.

Since the moment you complain about the Ilvl asked to enter a party is too high you are bitching about TF/WF, i don't see any problem about asking 930 for HC ToS, its casual content that only the people who has been farming it some time can do, you can be the very best DPS in the world, but you will not do more dps on 915 than someone who has 930ilvl.
As someone who don't raid myth since MoP i can say that legion has been the better expansion to be a casual BY FAR because of the high ilvl requierement. I like the TF system and i hope they keep it like that long time.

[Mlz]

Since the moment you complain about the Ilvl asked to enter a party is too high you are bitching about TF/WF, i don't see any problem about asking 930 for HC ToS, its casual content that only the people who has been farming it some time can do, you can be the very best DPS in the world, but you will not do more dps on 915 than someone who has 930ilvl.
As someone who don't raid myth since MoP i can say that legion has been the better expansion to be a casual BY FAR because of the high ilvl requierement. I like the TF system and i hope they keep it like that long time.

Again, your reading comprehension amazes me. I do not have a single problem getting into groups - I have over 930 ilvl without doing HC content, mind you. The whole point of my post was to explain it as someone who has been on the 'casual lucky side'. I was merely pointing out those countless threads here and elsewhere about how people get declined left and right whenever they want to do something on their ~910 ilvl characters. But whatever, explaining anything to you seems like a pointless task (as you seem to like putting words into my mouth), might be a language barrier or something.

[Saverem]

Invasions are next week. By killing the bosses in a raid, casuals are awarded with free current tier Mythic quality loot. Last week, free 935s were given to the majority of the population since you only needed to complete a +10. Couldn't do a 10? Try a 9 so you don't get that 3rd affix and are STILL awarded with a 930.

The casualification of this game makes raiding Mythic have less of a point than ever. How do you feel about Blizzard removing the luster from defeating difficult and once highly revered content?

It is kind of dumb that you can now get better gear than H ToS for doing easier content. Is there even a point to raiding any more?


Can't wait til D2 comes out so I can fuck off of WoW until next expansion...

[pateuvasiliu]

The game's been a casualfest since what, MoP ?

They introduced so many difficulties to somehow make hardcore players think that their hard modes have meaning. They don't. I don't care if mine was harder, if everyone has the prestige of killing Kel'thuzad no one does.

Back in Vanilla/TBC clearing a raid held meaning.

[Deleted]

if everyone has the prestige of killing Kel'thuzad no one does.

As the proverb goes, snowflakes gonna stink. Stay salty.

[Teri]

The game's been a casualfest since what, MoP ?

They introduced so many difficulties to somehow make hardcore players think that their hard modes have meaning. They don't. I don't care if mine was harder, if everyone has the prestige of killing Kel'thuzad no one does.

Back in Vanilla/TBC clearing a raid held meaning.

This, 1 difficulty, you either cleared it, or you did not, didn't need achievements either as most the gear was actually equipped from the raids and no 100 other sources/titanforges like today.

People looked pretty funny unless they were using like full tier sets but that was fine, in a game without transmog.

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Now, times changed obviously, but a 930 world boss loot or some LFR loot isn't equal to what mythic raiders have access to in bigger amounts and bigger titanforges (higher chance due to higher base-level).

Yes I recently got a 945 shoulder from a 890 pvp world quest, doesn't mean it makes my character 945 fully optimized in tier/stats.

Antorus will drop 960, titanforges to 985, nowhere even close to 930, and exponential scaling still applies.

We see 895 WQ loot right now, but that probably won't be majorly upgraded anymore unless a 7.4 patch is coming. PvP gear will go up a bit since season 5 is followed by 6 and 7...

[Stricks]

If you are not a casual you should be better than casuals at the same ilvl now shouldn't you?

[pateuvasiliu]

As the proverb goes, snowflakes gonna stink. Stay salty.

Salty? I quit the game in Cata bub.

Enjoy your dying game. During my time it has 12M subs. It was a good game. The best ever made, even.

Now it's just a casualfest where everyone has to be a winner. If everyone's a winner no one is.


Beats me why people pay 15$ a month for this when there are servers with Vanilla/TBC/WOTLK for free.

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Infracted: No talk of private servers please. [ML]

[Grimlokh]

Have fun working your ass off IN A GAME, while I wait for 3 months and steamroll trough current content, salty kid.

[MoanaLisa]

It is kind of dumb that you can now get better gear than H ToS for doing easier content. Is there even a point to raiding any more?

Yeah, there's a point to raiding. But the point doesn't have anything to do with replacement of gear. That's happened from the start.

"Hey, adventurer. Farmer Sloat has a problem with boars but you might be able to solve it by hauling boar poop from one side of his field to the other. When you're done, we'll give you this nice shiny new green cape to replace that old purple one you're wearing that has the burn marks in it."

Collect the poop from 12 boars and bring it to Farmer Sloat.

How is this any different? You raid because you like raiding. If you're raiding for any other reason than you enjoy it, you're not doing it right.

[Saverem]

Yeah, there's a point to raiding. But the point doesn't have anything to do with replacement of gear. That's happened from the start.

"Hey, adventurer. Farmer Sloat has a problem with boars but you might be able to solve it by hauling boar poop from one side of his field to the other. When you're done, we'll give you this nice shiny new green cape to replace that old purple one you're wearing that has the burn marks in it."

Collect the poop from 12 boars and bring it to Farmer Sloat.

How is this any different? You raid because you like raiding. If you're raiding for any other reason than you enjoy it, you're not doing it right.

It's different because that shiny green cape you got for collecting poop was no where near as good as the purple pixels you got from raiding.

Now we have that cape having 15 ilvls more than the gear you get from doing heroic raiding...

[MoanaLisa]

It's different because that shiny green cape you got for collecting poop was no where near as good as the purple pixels you got from raiding.

It very well may be if it's in the next expansion. The point being "Why raid in this expansion if all my gear gets replaced while I'm leveling in the next?"

It's a good question, no doubt. Which only leads back to "I raid because I like to." Just about any other answer is wrong.

[Kazuchika]

It is kind of dumb that you can now get better gear than H ToS for doing easier content. Is there even a point to raiding any more?


Can't wait til D2 comes out so I can fuck off of WoW until next expansion...

We can't wait either.

Just kidding you'll probably bitch about that too.

[gushDH]

Invasions are next week. By killing the bosses in a raid, casuals are awarded with free current tier Mythic quality loot. Last week, free 935s were given to the majority of the population since you only needed to complete a +10. Couldn't do a 10? Try a 9 so you don't get that 3rd affix and are STILL awarded with a 930.

The casualification of this game makes raiding Mythic have less of a point than ever. How do you feel about Blizzard removing the luster from defeating difficult and once highly revered content?

If you raid mythic for gear, you raid for one of the shallowest reasons.

If you believe you will enjoy the game as much as a mythic raider by doing these casual invasions, you are wrong.

Would you have fun if you suddenly did a bunch of quests and reached 940? It would be pointless.

You raid for the challenge, not for the gear.

[Zeek Daniels]

Wait let me get this straight: so only TryHard, no life mythic raiders are entitled to have the best loot in the game? Why can't I get good loot aswell by doing more interesting content to me than raiding? You're sad you won't feel like a special snowflake anymore?

The whole point of getting loot with better stats is to become stronger to beat harder content. Theres no point in giving out loot 910 loot to someone doing content that requires 865. If all your doing is world quests then you dont need 910 loot. You can get the quests done in 870 gear you dont need "good" loot your getting loot from doing the quests it doesnt need to be 910. If your running mythic+ dungeons however i agree you should be getting higher and higher loot because the dungeons get harder and harder. So you need the loot to keep up. But since your not specific on what content you do i cant really tell you your wrong or right.

[deviantcultist]

Not sure if this has been asked in this thread, but here I go. How long does it take to get a full 910 set from the Ethereal vendor in 7.3?

[Khallid]

Not sure if this has been asked in this thread, but here I go. How long does it take to get a full 910 set from the Ethereal vendor in 7.3?

If you farm enough Argus content you can get one piece per day.

[Mlz]

It very well may be if it's in the next expansion. The point being "Why raid in this expansion if all my gear gets replaced while I'm leveling in the next?"

It's a good question, no doubt. Which only leads back to "I raid because I like to." Just about any other answer is wrong.

Says who? You? You don't even raid so please stop projecting your ideas on others. Character progression via gear is a thing, you know. I don't mean that the sole reason for raiding should be gear, of course not (since that's the main reason why ninjaing was a thing), but it is a major factor regardless. Your argument is just so beyond me it's baffling - people do quests but I would be surprised if the only reason to do the quests in your opinion is that the quests themselves are enjoyable and no attention should be paid to what comes out of them. To be honest, I literally cannot remember a single time someone said 'MAN I LOVE WORLD QUESTS' but yet thousands of people do them. Also, to turn an argument around, why would and should casuals care if raiders actually have better gear than them?