The CASUALties of 7.3 -- Free loot for everyone

[InfiniteCharger]

Yes, there is. It's called progression and it's one of the things that keeps people in the game. Should progression and all player power be tied up in the clothes you're wearing today? No.

But, it is. So, that's the deal. People that don't progress stop subscribing. It's not complicated.

And yes, there are lots of people who truly enjoy blowing through 865 content in 910 gear. You are not one of them apparently but the way they play is just as valid as the way you play.



Most don't. 9 out of 10 threads about this are just like this one. "OMG! Unworthy people are getting good gear!" Show me where there a lot of threads here seriously complaining that casual players are upset that raiding gear is better. It doesn't happen very often.

Moana you keep contradicting yourself. You just said that progression is about getting better gear but then you turn right around and claim that raiding is not for "progression of gear" it is for pure challenge and enjoyment. If the game is about progression and that means better gear then that means Raiding, which is also a part of the game is included as part of that same progression. And progression in any game always means harder content rewards better items and gear. Even FPS games have that concept where the big bad mega gun is not given out when you first start but only after getting through increasing difficulties before getting to the big boss.

So you are worried about what other people are doing and how other people play the game even though it matters little to what you do. How on earth does a mythic raider getting 930+ gear affect you if none of the content you are doing needs 930 gear? And why do you care? And the point I am making is that Blizzard could perfectly well make tiers of gear that corresponds to tiers of content but this current formula in legion of overlapping tiers of content and anyone can get any tier of gear just by luck from doing anything makes absolutely no sense. Everybody in the game should not just get the same gear just by doing random content with no correlation to difficulty. Getting a random RNG boost on some random encounter that is not difficult is not memorable and really wastes the experience.

[Nyel]

How dare some guy get something that is good for them. Better write to the internet police about it.

Did you at least try to tell him why you deserve it so much more than him and that he should feel bad about getting it AND that he should absolutely present it to you in a silver platter while classic music is playing?

I am neither envious nor furious about him getting a 930 trinket in a +0 dungeon. It just demonstrates how out of control RNG in Legion is.

[I Push Buttons]

This is 100% the problem with this game nowadays. You should NOT have gear EQUAL to those who do higher difficulty content without doing that content yourself, FUCKING PERIOD.

A casual getting a single random piece of 935 gear from among the entire loot table of the expansion (aka: 99% chance what they get is trash) is not equal to people decked out in fully itemized best in slot 930+ ilvl raid gear.

The hyperbole in this thread is ridiculous.

[WinningOne]

Invasions are next week. By killing the bosses in a raid, casuals are awarded with free current tier Mythic quality loot. Last week, free 935s were given to the majority of the population since you only needed to complete a +10. Couldn't do a 10? Try a 9 so you don't get that 3rd affix and are STILL awarded with a 930.

The casualification of this game makes raiding Mythic have less of a point than ever. How do you feel about Blizzard removing the luster from defeating difficult and once highly revered content?

Why do you waste energy caring whether or not other players had to try as hard as you did to get equipment? Actually, what makes you think it's any of your business? If you got yours and had fun doing it then be happy about it and leave the rest of us to get ours. The size of your genitals won't change just because everyone else eventually gears up too.

[Deleted]

This is 100% the problem with this game nowadays. You should NOT have gear EQUAL to those who do higher difficulty content without doing that content yourself, FUCKING PERIOD.

Does this hurt your e-peen in any way? Non-raiders have no access to mythic Tier sets/trinkets/bis relics. Why do you care if a casual (like me) has the same ilvl as you? I grind the game in a different manner (m+, world bosses, relinquished). Noone is holding you back from doing this content also (and get the gear i am getting)

[Sederath]

Does this hurt your e-peen in any way? Non-raiders have no access to mythic Tier sets/trinkets/bis relics. Why do you care if a casual (like me) has the same ilvl as you? I grind the game in a different manner (m+, world bosses, relinquished). Noone is holding you back from doing this content also (and get the gear i am getting)

Because it's a matter of effort vs. reward, I'd assume.

Which is actually a pretty major reason why I quit the game.

I don't hate casual players, but I more than miss the days of knowing that, when I killed a boss on heroic difficulty, I was looking at the opportunity of getting a specific item, of specific quality, that was my best-in-slot piece. I knew that I was working toward a goal, with something in mind, and that getting these drops were just steps toward getting geared enough to clear the current content before it was outdated.

Legion involved hoping for the following, on the other hand:

- Best-in-Slot legendaries, that come from just about any activity with a form of lockout connected

- Best-in-Slot relics, from M+ dungeons typically

- Best-in-Slot trinkets, which are a wild card depending on class/spec and Titanforging

- Best-in-Slot tier, preferably with high Titanforging

- Best-in-Slot off-pieces, with precision itemization that was spread out over every dungeon and raid, at typically low droprates

Even better than dealing with all of this, which normally was bound to the quality of content you were doing, you also have:

- 4 raid difficulties to potentially get tier/trinkets from

- Dungeons with no lockouts and shifting affixes that enable/hinder farm speed quality attached to them, coupled with bloated loot tables

- Vendors that offer gear from across all forms of content, with an increased base item level, but limits to farm speed, and extremely bloated loot tables

All in all, the game's changed from an RPG, to a slot machine casino with RPG elements, as far as playing at the remotely high-end goes. Trying to keep up and maximize my performance by doing all the content I could became tedious very quickly, and of the top 2 legendaries that would actually see any use in my spec, I received both of my "has-been" BIS legendaries at 2nd and 1st to last.

Just not interested in praying to dice rolls to get the best rewards when I'm already doing the most difficult content I can.

Edit: Also, due to insane Titanforging going into M EN boosting up performance, M NH took a drastic turn into the "insane" tuning stage following Trilliax, and similar mistakes were made going into ToS following the first three fights. Anyone who thinks TF isn't at least a bit related to that doesn't know how tuning and/or content pacing works.

[Spotnick]

Well, that gear won't go higher and Antorus gear will be releases in a couple of months and will be higher ilvl than anything else until next expansion (except for TF of course)

Once you realize 930 loot is a catch up for Antorus which will drop 935 in normal mode.. and a nerf to Tomb of Sargeras, you won't panic to see it in the game so early.

Remember WOD where world bosses dropped loot nobody wanted?

Stop fixating on gear, if your epeen is linked to your ilvl, maybe you should refocus.

[deviantcultist]

Basically the freebies going on right now are but a new baseline standard for gear before the final tier comes out. I cannot see why either hardcore raiders or casuals might dislike the state of things as they are now.

[MyndZero]

A casual getting a single random piece of 935 gear from among the entire loot table of the expansion (aka: 99% chance what they get is trash) is not equal to people decked out in fully itemized best in slot 930+ ilvl raid gear.

The hyperbole in this thread is ridiculous.

Except it is, You forget it all adds up in the end.

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Does this hurt your e-peen in any way? Non-raiders have no access to mythic Tier sets/trinkets/bis relics. Why do you care if a casual (like me) has the same ilvl as you? I grind the game in a different manner (m+, world bosses, relinquished). Noone is holding you back from doing this content also (and get the gear i am getting)

I would argue that in your case, why do you need ilvl like people who do the hardest difficulty content then? The fact of the matter is you don't, and blizzard shouldn't feel the need to give it to you (which they do feel that need, because that's the majority of the player base nowadays).

[Rotted]

As much as I miss the days of looking at a max level decked out in epic gear while I'm a lonely noob in greens........ Those days are gone.

Why don't you worry less about what other people get when it has absolutely 0 impact on you? Is there only x amount of those items on the server? no. Is it limited to 1 per class on the server? no. Does it effect your performance in anyways? no.

It's just how it is now, loot for everyone it brings people on the same playing field to a degree.

[tikcol]

For the most part they don't. Same request for you as I made earlier: Find a bunch of threads where casual players are demanding mythic level raiding gear. Go ahead. I'll wait.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...nly-difficulty

Oh, and it was you that locked the thread. Figures.. you're not biased. At all.

[Deleted]

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...nly-difficulty

Oh, and it was you that locked the thread. Figures.. you're not biased. At all.

Oh no, the last time you trolled she caught you too? HOW TERRIBLE AND BIASED, tsk tsk.

[tikcol]

Oh no, the last time you trolled she caught you too? HOW TERRIBLE AND BIASED, tsk tsk.

No.. it clearly didn't fit his agenda.

[Fjordkeeper]

I don't get the problem.

What's the problem with casuals being able to obtain high level loot?
With the current system, casuals are able to get nice loot as well, it simply takes them way longer to get to a heroic+ item level.

Stop seeing mythic as being the only means of getting high level gear...
Mythic is simply a failsave way of getting high level gear.

While a mythic raider will drop a 930 piece by default, the casual needs a truckload of luck to upgrade his 890 piece to that level.

I for example only ever got a 40+ ilevel update twice since playing legion and I've been playing non-stop.

[Pickynerd]

ilv is just bloat, you really have to optimize stats and use a solid rotation. Random number here, but 95% of players don't do either, they just hit glowing buttons and don't run meters so they think they are king shit because flashy crits and carries make them feel good.

[hyphnos]

ilv is just bloat, you really have to optimize stats and use a solid rotation. Random number here, but 95% of players don't do either, they just hit glowing buttons and don't run meters so they think they are king shit because flashy crits and carries make them feel good.

and people who did hit the right buttons in the right order and run meters are supposed to feel good about themselves? why? being good at a video game is hardly something to feel proud about - it is nothing more than sitting on your ass having memorized some scripts and developed muscle memory.

if somebody plays WoW badly and feels good about it, it amounts to the same thing as being a mythic raider. Neither has accomplished jack shit that means anything to 99.9999% of people.

[Leadsop]

Huh. This thread again.

[I Push Buttons]

Except it is, You forget it all adds up in the end.

By the time casuals are decked out in 930 ilvl Mythic+/titanforged as it "adds up" (ie: like one piece a week), the new raid will be out and you will be getting 970 drops from Mythic.

[Deleted]

People complaining about casual players playing a casual game

[Sederath]

It's just how it is now, loot for everyone it brings people on the same playing field to a degree.

And what's the justification for it?

What good reason is there for players not doing content to be rewarded equally with players doing the hardest content available, through sheer chance?