[7.3 Spoilers] Is Turalyon the first living immortal human?

[Lahis]

First immortal living human was Arthas - technically he never died before ICC fight and would never die from aging if ICC didn't happened.

The thing about death magic is that it can turn you into an undead without technically killing you. So while nobody had slain Arthas, as the Lich King he hardly was alive anymore.

[Kyux]

Nah, I still think it is just an exaggeration. Apart form this/these throw away comment(s) there is no reference to them living in the Twisting Nether for ages.

[Raetary]

First immortal living human was Arthas - technically he never died before ICC fight and would never die from aging if ICC didn't happened.

Arthas was undead....

[CthulhuFhtagn]

Time dilation doesn't apply here though. Time dilation alters amount of time one experiences relatively other objects, but the dilated object will still experience the passage of time as if nothing is wrong.

It doesn't stop your aging for 1000 years.

It could be that time doesn't flow in the Twisting Nether. As in, in the 4-dimensional (3 spatial dimensions + 1 temporal) coordinate plane, you simply don't move along the temporal axis and thereby thereby you wouldn't technically age, even from your perspective.

Or a more likely answer - Light magic and shit.

[Highwhale]

arthas was undead....

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[Al Gorefiend]

Time is relative, travels around at light speed etc. etc.

Fantasy metaphysics, rule of cool, etc. etc.

Another thing to not wrap your brain around too much.

Good explanation is he's been on multiple time travel trips like WoD too. He may have been in another dimensions and such.

[Aquamonkey]

It could be that time doesn't flow in the Twisting Nether. As in, in the 4-dimensional (3 spatial dimensions + 1 temporal) coordinate plane, you simply don't move along the temporal axis and thereby thereby you wouldn't technically age, even from your perspective.

If time didn't flow in the Twisting Nether, then they'd experience no amount of time. They'd go in and come out a decades later and only feel like an instant had passed. That's the opposite of the 1000 years Turalyon says.

Time is relative, travels around at light speed etc. etc.

Going at relativistic speeds would mean time goes slower for them, not faster. They'd experience less than the 21 years that have passed on Azeroth.

[HyperJay]

I believe the point is that it's about relativity. In the Twisting Nether Time passes differently, for example Turalyon spends 1000 years fighting in his time, but for us that is only 10 years.

[cparle87]

That would be a fine explanation, but by their own personal words they have lived specifically through 1000 years in their own time. It doesn't matter how time behaves relative to each dimension, he has personally lived through that amount of years.

Blizz said long long ago that the Twisting Nether is a strange dimension where the normal laws of physics do not apply. For instance there's how Outland still retains an atmosphere, you can see Azeroth from the top of Black Temple, and such. Blizz stated that incredibly fel tainted worlds are pulled partway into the Twisting Nether. If Turalyon has been warring against the Legion on worlds they've conquered or nearly so, he's likely spent nearly all his time in the Nether. We know, for instance, that draenei were pretty much biologically immortal before they became demons, cases being Velen and some others. No word as to other beings. Mannoroth and the pit lords, Tichondrius and the nathrezim. Perhaps living things are not subject to the ravagings of time while in the Nether.

[Bisso]

That would be a fine explanation, but by their own personal words they have lived specifically through 1000 years in their own time. It doesn't matter how time behaves relative to each dimension, he has personally lived through that amount of years.

I think in that instance. Years do last long, but their body does not age for thousands of years, they either haven't aged or they aged as much as for how long they went missing since the events of the Dark Portal

[D Luniz]

He's just exaggerating like everyone does wit that 1000 years mess
it was only 996 years

[purebalance]

He is not immortal at all. Time behaves a lot differently in the twisting nether than it does on our world. 50 years in the twisting nether could be few months for that (Couldn't think of an example for this time stuff).

We already have proof that the nether thing isn't true

1) We've all been in the nether in outland. If you go off the land in some areas of Netherstorm or other parts of Outland it specifically says TN as the zone. Outland is in the TN. Time flowed just fine there.

2) Priest, Warlock, and Demon Hunter order halls are all in the TN and they have no had issues with time.

3) Paladins visit the priest order hall and also have no issue with time.

4) A couple of artifact quest lines take place in the TN and Niskara is possibly as well and almost all if not all OH campaigns take you there.

Turalyon and Alleria are lying.

[AlmightyGerkin]

We already have proof that the nether thing isn't true

1) We've all been in the nether in outland. If you go off the land in some areas of Netherstorm or other parts of Outland it specifically says TN as the zone. Outland is in the TN. Time flowed just fine there.

2) Priest, Warlock, and Demon Hunter order halls are all in the TN and they have no had issues with time.

3) Paladins visit the priest order hall and also have no issue with time.

4) A couple of artifact quest lines take place in the TN and Niskara is possibly as well and almost all if not all OH campaigns take you there.

Turalyon and Alleria are lying.

Lore > gameplay.

[purebalance]

Lore > gameplay.

Those are both lore and gameplay so your point is a non point. Every single one of my points stand in lore.

[Huntaer]

A year on Mercury is 88 days

Imagine all the birthdays......

[AlmightyGerkin]

Those are both lore and gameplay so your point is a non point. Every single one of my points stand in lore.

Pretty sure time slowed down or reduces the aging by a hefty amount when in the twisting nether. Seems like certain planets with in the twisting nether behave differently.

[Kokolums]

If he was immortal he probably wouldn't be aged like he is. His lifespan was just extended

Maybe he just chooses to look like Jim Raynor because he is a huge fan of Starcraft?

[Adaren]

Turalyon and Alleria are lying.

The stupid part is that they really could be lying and it wouldn't even matter because there's no side-effects and it can't be verified by anyone else.

[purebalance]

Pretty sure time slowed down or reduces the aging by a hefty amount when in the twisting nether. Seems like certain planets with in the twisting nether behave differently.

You're still ignoring the point. We went to several locations within the nether and Azeroth's time remained constant while we were there.

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The stupid part is that they really could be lying and it wouldn't even matter because there's no side-effects and it can't be verified by anyone else.

I mean short of maybe Xera locking them in some sort of special stasis that extracted them from time which Alleria DID mention Xera locked her up once(and maybe him for being complicit and he got some sort of Stockholm Syndrome from it) there is no other way to explain it other than bad lore or them flat out lying to us. This seems like Metzen's last "amg this sounds so cool" fuck you to all of us really in terms of him being so incredibly bad at knowing his own lore.

[Huntaer]

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So much cake!

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How about weight on Mercury. Could we eat cake every day, or will we die of overweight within a week ?