On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
Science has made us gods even before we are worthy of being men: Jean Rostand. Yeah, Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair colour!.
Classic: "The tank is the driver, the healer is the fuel, and the DPS are the kids sitting in the back seat screaming and asking if they're there yet."
Irony >> "do they even realize that having a state religion IS THE REASON WE LEFT BRITTEN? god these people are idiots"
To which the best reply came from the President of the European Council, Donald Tusk (in relation to UK's behavior about Brexit, but still). "There will be no cakes for anybody. Only salt and vinegar." If aimed at Poland it'd get bonus points due to the entire PiS being eternally triggered about Tusk.
No, they are undemocratic because they shit on the Polish constitution and the rule of law and try to do things like making the judiciary branch of the government subservient to themselves.
They have plenty to do with each other given how PiS magically remembered that the issue with reparations from East Germany may be legally unresolved only after EU started to put more pressure and became more antagonistic in it's language.
Kinda hard to vote for Hungarian president in Poland. And just lol at calling the right winger Merkel an SJW. And PiS has about 40% support right now and suffers a pretty significant internal power struggle recently.
The court and the parliament both predate the EU by decades.
This cannot be said enough. If taking in these migrants is not a problem, and migrants are wonderful and bring no problems, and "DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH!" then why does Germany, France ect want to sacrifice their precious diversity on countries that do not want it?
If the Migrants are not a problem as German officials will vociferously state, why the curious desire to unload them elsewhere?
On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
How is it racism? I live in a country that was invaded by criminals from former Eastern Block countries. It's widely known and accepted that many of them are Polish.
I didn't call your entire nation thieves and criminals, but these thieves and criminals are Polish. An important distinction to make.
Well, Poland is corrupt, underdeveloped and so on... I guess criminality comes with such corruption and neglect. Meanwhile they sit there and slam their chests, acting virtous and righteous as they refuse to fullfill an obligation which they've signed themselves up for. You don't get to just eat the cherries someone else picks then complain about how you gotta pay for them.
If you want to call me out on generalizations, don't do them yourself.
Because there is an underlying idea of solidarity to the EU, which means you can't just take the good and not help cover for some of the bad. It's the idea that we shouldn't just leave Greece to rot with a few million refugees especially at a time where it was already in crisis. I would hope we'd do the same if Poland were suffering from some terrible crisis or natural disaster, and that's not merely to soothe myself and pretend like I'm a saint, but also because I could picture myself in trouble one day and hoping others wouldn't simply turn their back on me.
And if you really had fundamental objections to housing people, which imo were not warranted in this case but lets say you did, you could at least help out financially.
Wait, but I thought taking in migrants wasn't bad, it was absolutely 100% double plus good. Always good in fact. Migrants come with no problems, only upsides. Are you admitting that migrants are not just a blessing from heaven? Sounds like racist Trumpian talk.
Here I thought the promise was that by taking in untold numbers of migrants and resettling anyone who wants access to the European welfare states was nothing but good things. Yet Germany doesn't seem keen to have the "blessing" all to themselves.
What gives? Is "Diversity our Strength" or no?
On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
Don't be childish, housing and feeding a huge number of refugees is costly and difficult. That doesn't mean they can't one day be productive additions to their new society, but yes in the short term of course there is a significant cost and organizational requirement. Debate me or debate your strawman but don't quote me in that case.
Excuse me? That is just a privilege the noble and generous German gets for the rich bounty that migrants obviously bring. Those are all future doctors, engineers ect and the lifeblood of Multicultural Paradise Germany! Every single one is a productive godsend to wonderful EUtopia!
The point being, why would Germany want to dispense with and send its wonderful blessing elsewhere, after all the migrants are all a blessing. And Germany is a wealthy country, whose generous spirit and nature can only be enhanced by unlimited migration.
My debate point is, why require Poland to take in people they don't want when Poland already took in refugees that Germany didn't want (Namely the Ukranians) and not simply ask Poland to chip in some if Germany is struggling with its endless supply of Somali, Libyan, Moroccan, Afghan and occasional Syrian ect?
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Exactly, Surely Germany would only benefit from such small token investments that such a wealthy enlightened and perfect country could easily make in exchanged for the promised bountiful harvest of Diversity.
On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
That would put Poland into a shitstorm even above EU level.
Aside from the whole thing about almost all Islamic terrorism acts in EU being performed not by the current refugees (or even normal migrants pretending to be refugees) that Germany accepted, but by French, Belgian, Dutch or Spanish nationalists, often from later generations, that got in not because of EU but because of these countries' deals with their former colonies, making the fear of refugees because of terrorism rather misapplied, since @Acidbaron and @EUPLEB already covered it aplenty, there's this tiny little detail that Poland isn't significant enough to be a terrorist target even according to Polish intelligence agencies.
If "victory" is the name of his and Macierewicz's private mental asylum, then sure. And BoR is old news, terytorialsi is all the rage now (that's literally how they themselves refer to themselves on recruitment posters).
All EU member states are sovereign. International obligations don't negate that and they are not even remotely unique to EU.
Polish migrants are a net benefit in Western Europe and are not over-represented in crime, so *shrug*. And Russia is kinda sanctioned for a few years by now.
The good news, is that the PiS government is not purely made by them, but by a coalition of various right wing nutjobs. Once they jump to each others' throats for more power for themselves. this coalition will collapse just like the one PiS had in 2005-2007, which lasted only half a term (and resulted in PiS creating illegal provocations against the members of their own coalition). Right now there are rumors from high ranking PiS politicians that the president already requested from PiS' leader that the minister of defense should go. And that minister holds a large part of PiS' overall support (the most crazy one, by the admission of various high ranking PiS politicians, but still).
A time period where the Polish could freely travel but not work is very relevant to Europe after their accession into EU, when millions of Polish emigrated for work.
You mean the nationality outside of the British isles that has by far the most people in UK also has the most prison population? Who'd have thunk
good for poland. fuck the eu.
Surely the bountiful harvest and promised endless upsides justify any short term cash costs by Germany. The gains are absolute and the costs are zero really except housing them. Why not then let Germany, France, Sweden, ect horde the migrants to themselves? After all there are no longterm downsides, none, zero, all ups. Thus whatever pittance must be endured for this obvious mana from heaven would be acceptable costs for #Diversity!
Yet..... there is a desire to force countries that don't want them to take them, poorer countries at that who couldn't afford the upfront cost even if they wanted them.
Also the Polish voters decided no to the migrants, why should they have to endure something they don't want? After all Poland is a sovereign country, it is not as if the EU is a Country after all.
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On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.