Can rabbit meat save Venezuela from going hungry?

[yetgdhfgh]

Ive always said every country should have a healthy mix of Socialism and Capitalism but Venezuela had gone off the chart cause they betted on oil prices and that shit has sunk now they have chased away any investment from companies abroad speically the USA it is totally Donald Ducked but its leadership is modeled on the Fidel Castro model! This country is gonna be mired in civil war for at least a generation till they get some moderates who can save them from the brink of utter destruction!

[rhorle]

1) Those rules does not apply to a single person, but to the whole of the society.

Indviduals across a society can start a garden and still work their normal jobs.

2) Farmers can produce food at a much lower cost than you can.

The cost of buying a pack of seeds vs the cost of buying the finished product will always be cheaper. I can buy a cucumber when on sale 3 for a 1 dollar. I can buy 120 seeds (8 packages X 15+ seeds per package) for $12.50 from amazon. You can likely find packs cheaper. Those each yield far more cucumbers then I can buy the finished product for

3) A farmer production per hour on food production is away bigger than yours.

Doesn't matter. Growing a back yard garden is not replacing the societies need for farmers. I don't understand why you think it does.

4) The general public, free from the demand of producing food, can focus their effort on professions that have higher requirement of training, thus pays more.

The general public can grow a garden in their back yard and still focus their effort on all of the professions they normally could. What don't you understand about growing a garden in your back yard.

5) The general public will be producing much more money/hour than they would by planting.

They can make the same as they could with out planting. They are having a garden to sell their produce but to consume with their family and friends.

6) There is a limited amount of hours that people are capable or willing to work.

They can garden when they can't work.

7) It is better for your country's GDP that you produce more money.

Growing your own produce helps you to have more money to spend in other places.

The problem I think you are having is that for whatever stupid reason you think growing a garden in your back yard means you are now a farmer farming acres of land for the entire populace of your country. Just because you grow produce doesn't mean you are a farmer. It is also idiotic that you don't see the helpful effect of people providing for themselves has even in non-emergencies.

Farmers still farm. Programmers still program. Doctors still doctor. They all can go home to fresh cucumbers and tomatoes. That is a bad thing and will cause the economy to collapse? Seriously. You keep glossing over that your entire argument is that society collapses when people grown their own produce in a back yard garden.

A couple 3 feet by 3 feet plots of land is going to cause the entire world to implode. Seriously I am dumbfounded by your argument.

[Daedius]

Rabbit Satay.



Nom nom nom

[rhorle]

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29708619/n...owth-industry/

Guess home gardening won't crash the economy after all.

The National Gardening Association estimates that a well-maintained vegetable garden yields a $500 average return per year. A study by Burpee Seeds claims that $50 spent on gardening supplies can multiply into $1,250 worth of produce annually.

Business there has increased 40 percent in the last year, with the most growth among vegetables such as peppers, tomatoes and kitchen herbs that can thrive in small urban plots or patio containers, he said. Harris Seeds recently had to reorder pepper and tomato seeds.

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So having a vegetable garden in my back yard to grow my own food while still working my full time job is a step backwards?

You can have your garden: it's your individual choice.
What is an absurd step backwards is a "Having your population grown their own food" policy.

For starters division of labor is the major breakthrough of every civilization. Labor is better allocated in specialized fields.
Any time we spend growing an apple is time not spent manufacturing a space rocket. Of course we can work shifts: 8 hours rocket building, and then half tending the garden. Or maybe just 5 minutes a day. Doesn't matter how little the time: those minutes are still better allocated in building rockets.
That extra time can be extracted from our rest and leisure time; and that's something any individual can do. But having that policy, requesting we all work that extra time, is not only a step backwards: it's a massive assault on worker's rights.

If one is in the position to have a garden, they are already a major drag economically. Efficient civilizations live closer together. In cities. People that live in a sustainable manner don't own arable land to begin with: they live in apartment complexes without any land. Living more spread around means more resources are need to be put into infrastructure: water canals, electricity, sewage, communications, roads, etc. Building and maintaining those things cost a lot of resources.

[Etoo]

It's not just rabbit meat that is bad in large quantities, but protein in general when not balanced by other foods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning

[S7orm]

Yeah, Venezuela seems like a good nation to start growing little fuckers that die in mass at the first sign of infection.

Chickens are much more efficient at turning fodder in food, are more resistent and require way less equipment and upkeep than rabbits. With rabbits you need separate cages to avoid males killing the offsprings and spreading diseases, vaccines and frequent health checks. With chickens you walk in often enough to keep the food rolling and clean the place. If you notice one chicken a bit under the weather you get rid of her and send the animal in laboratory without putting too much weight on your wallet.

[rhorle]

Any time we spend growing an apple is time not spent manufacturing a space rocket.

Do you know how apples are grown? You plant the seeds in the ground and a tree grows. You don't need to spend 8 hours watching it. You can literally grow an apple while manufacturing a space rocket. Literally.

Everything stated here doesn't indicate that the entire country food supply is going to be grown by individuals. That isn't even what started off this tangent. Having your own garden doesn't take time away from doing your normal full time job and can net you savings and other benefits. For those who can't dedicate as much time there are co-ops and clubs that sell land that you agree to work X time or just pay a flat fee for the end goal.

I'll be laughing at your idea of growing an apple as some full time job for a while.

Forcing it? Sure forcing is bad. Strongly encouraging it though is not a bad thing. It is also amusing that you are now the second person to think that you can't grown a few small plots in your back yard because you can't work a full time job at the same time. If you don't know what gardening is don't comment.

[Deleted]

Everything stated here doesn't indicate that the entire country food supply is going to be grown by individuals.

It means that some is. And that some is:
-inefficiently produced
-and at the expense of workers rights
-perpetuating the unsustainable culture of owning a backyard.

Feeding yourself or starving with rights. You will also have more money for other things that you do need. The fact that you and others have such an aversion to home gardening shows just how silly it has been ingrained that it is bad.

I grow tomatoes, grapes, and several herbs.
It's a fun pastime.
Accounting the water, the labor, the fertilizer, pesticides, the gas for the car to go buy those things, the land that I could be using in having a solar farm... it doesn't add up to how ridiculously cheap food is in local farmer's markets.

[Zmaniac17]

This is an interesting, but definitely terrible, situation.

I'm sure many people have already pointed out rabbit starvation. Rabbits are very lean and require that you supplement fat from another source. They are definitely more efficient than cattle.

But if you really wanted to go for efficiency why not start farming insects. Or if you can't stomach that, goats have been used for thousands of years and are better than cattle. I suppose they'll go with whatever they have on hand.

While researching this the first stat I came across for Venezuela was that forecasted inflation for this year was 720%. There is no country that is or can be self sufficient in this modern world. There is always something you need to buy from elsewhere. Someone needs to send a bunch of economist down there to advise their leaders. But who knows if they would listen.

[Shadowferal]

*nods above*
The protein in rabbit meat is useless without fat. If you're in the wild living off of the land, fat on meat is your best friend next to a clean source of water.
You could hypothetically stuff yourself with rabbit meat and still starve to death if that's your only food source.

[rhorle]

-perpetuating the unsustainable culture of owning a backyard.

HAHAHA. There is nothing unsustainable about own property bigger then the walls and roof. It is only inefficiently produced if you are selling it or looking to make a profit. For your own consumption is not inefficient. Workers rights are barely impacted because you are still working just the same.

I grow tomatoes, grapes, and several herbs. It's a fun pastime. Accounting the water, the labor, the fertilizer, pesticides, the gas for the car to go buy those things, the land that I could be using in having a solar farm... it doesn't add up to how ridiculously cheap food is in local farmer's markets.

Bull. You don't just say "Oh I could have a solar farm but going to grow some vegetables instead." A solar farm requires much more land then a small vegetable garden. It is also magnitudes cheaper then a solar farm would be. It also doesn't jive with you claiming that owning a back yard is unsustainable culture. Where do you grow your current garden or future solar farm?

And what workers rights are violated by you currently having a garden? What job did you have to give up to grow tomatoes, grapes, and several herbs? Because earlier you said that you can't both work and have a garden.

[Deleted]

I don't think I should bother with someone who is incapable or unwilling to read my first response in its entirety.
ludites gonna ludite.

[Orby]

My nan says she used to eat rabbit, back when it was post World War 2 :P

[OrcsRLame]

Umm... I'm pretty sure rabbits need more caloric energy than they produce. Like, you have food, and you use that food to feed rabbits, so they can breed, after killing and eating the rabbits you will get less calories than if you ate the food that you fed to the rabbits originally.

I'm pretty sure rabbits are not the solution to the heat death of the universe.

Goddamn, that sucks for the people of Venezuela though. This is one of those cases where I support violent revolution. People are gonna starve en masse; and you can't just expect those people to go quietly into their graves.

[Santti]

Blaming Venezuela's problems on socialism again? I'm sure oil barrels price plummeting had nothing to do with it, in a country where ~80% of it's exports is exactly that.

Venezuela had shit ton more problems than "Socialism". Start here, and see for yourself.



And the I don't think rabbits are going to save them, unfortunately.

[Deleted]

Poor vegetarians

[rhorle]

I don't think I should bother with someone who is incapable or unwilling to read my first response in its entirety.
ludites gonna ludite.

Just flat out say you don't want to respond. There is no reason to insult because you can't be bothered to come up with an argument. I read your entire first part. They are not produced inefficiently for personal consumption in a small garden. Workers rights are not violated by having a small personal garden. Back yards are not unsustainable.

The actual ludite like behavior displayed here is from you and the other poster who are opposed to small personal gardens because of workers rights apparently being threatened. Don't be a fool who thinks because you don't quote the entire part that it wasn't read. Using your logic you didn't read any of my post because you didn't quote any of it!

Btw if you weren't going to bother why did you bother to make a post? Telling us is bothering about it.

[Vash The Stampede]

When socialism fails, rabbits will save you.

I like this gif. Has a point.

[igualitarist]

Remember guys, if a socialist state fails is because it was not socialist. If a capitalist state succeeds is because its actually socialist.