The Worgen Homeworld

[WhiteEagle888]

What do we know about it?

Is it a dimension aligned with nature like the Emerald Dream? Could it be part of the Dream itself?
Or something different altogether?

There are satyrs Lords of the Emerald Flame present on this plane too - as satyrs are demonic night elves is it connected to Azeroth like the Dream?

[Raetary]

What?
The worgen state is a curse.

[Skulltaker]

Aren't Worgen druids that somehow lost control? They don't have a Homeworld.

[Huntaer]

They aren't aliens, they're cursed.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Worgen

[Soulwind]

The original worgen were night elves trapped in the Emerald Dream... so it's just the Emerald Dream.

[Nathreim]

What?
The worgen state is a curse.

Old lore had them coming from a different world and infecting humans. They were so savage and powerful they were in stalemate with the Legion on their home world.

This was changed in Cata sadly I really think the original story was better than LOL DRUIDS DID IT!

[WhiteEagle888]

Old lore had them coming from a different world and infecting humans. They were so savage and powerful they were in stalemate with the Legion on their home world.

This was changed in Cata sadly I really think the original story was better than LOL DRUIDS DID IT!

So it's a simple retcon - ok

[Nathreim]

So it's a simple retcon - ok

Yep really killed Worgen for me specially with how pathetic they have been since then. Can't compare to the old tales of Worgen fighting a war with the Legion to a stand still.

[Zenko]

Yep really killed Worgen for me specially with how pathetic they have been since then. Can't compare to the old tales of Worgen fighting a war with the Legion to a stand still.

That entire questline with the Scythe during classic blew my mind as a kid. Its a shame they made the retcon, as it would make a great cameo at least in the Invasions portals of 7.3

[Lochton]

That entire questline with the Scythe during classic blew my mind as a kid. Its a shame they made the retcon, as it would make a great cameo at least in the Invasions portals of 7.3

I thought it was a cameo, we arrive to a forest world in one of the invasion points.

[derpkitteh]

it's not really a retcon. people always assumed it was the emerald dream they came from. the "lords of the emerald flame" line threw people off a little, but it was always either some legion controlled world or the dream.

some kinda thought maybe these lords of emerald flame could be a new enemy, not legion or anything.

[Nathreim]

it's not really a retcon. people always assumed it was the emerald dream they came from. the "lords of the emerald flame" line threw people off a little, but it was always either some legion controlled world or the dream.

some kinda thought maybe these lords of emerald flame could be a new enemy, not legion or anything.

No it was a clear retcon. The original lore Ur said he looked into their world and saw it was dark place and the worgen possessed highly advanced magic and fought with the lords of emerald flame.

The current lore just them sleeping in the dream not fighting anyone because Malfurion wanted them pacified even in the dream. They also had no magic at all they had all become mindless beast except for Alpha Prime who retained his intelligence after being awoken by Arugal.

[javierdsv]

They had the potential to do something great... then we had this:



Yet they still go everywhere screaming "For Gilneas!" while it's pretty much abandoned.

[Kathranis]

The Lords of the Emerald Flame were a faction of satyr, and the portal opened by the Scythe led to the Emerald Dream where the cursed Druids of the Pack (first worgen) were sealed.

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No it was a clear retcon. The original lore Ur said he looked into their world and saw it was dark place and the worgen possessed highly advanced magic and fought with the lords of emerald flame.

"Holding the Scythe in my hands, I received a vision of chaos. Wolf-men... the worgen... battled an incredible enemy. The worgen fought savagely, as fit their primitive race, but their enemy was unflinching: the Lords of the Emerald Flame."

There's nothing there about a home world or advanced magic. Starsong had a vision of the War of the Satyrs, when the Scythe and the worgen were created.

Book of Ur was just a lot of hypothesis: "They may not be from our world, but avenues exist between their home and ours and powerful magic can pull them here. [...] The worgen's home is a dark place, a place of nightmare. [...] although some Worgen possess powerful magic, they have made no attempts to reach Azeroth of their own accord. [...] As mentioned above, some Worgen are skilled in the mystic arts, and their magic is of darkness and corruption."

What you had was a guy getting glimpses of the Emerald Dream / Nightmare. Maybe that wasn't the original intent, but taking the story in a direction that some people didn't expect doesn't constitute a retcon. Nothing about the lore was changed, it was just explained and expanded.

[Deleted]

They had the potential to do something great... then we had this:



Yet they still go everywhere screaming "For Gilneas!" while it's pretty much abandoned.

It's not abandoned. I believe lore wise it's occupied by the forsaken. In game this isn't reflected because i think they have a plan for the Worgen to take it back someday. When the story lends itself to it.

Also... nothing wrong with the models. WTH?! You wanted them to be angry 24/7? You can make the same case with the Orcs.

[Scottyjscizzle]

So you wanted them to be furry draenei?

[Mehrunes]

"Holding the Scythe in my hands, I received a vision of chaos. Wolf-men... the worgen... battled an incredible enemy. The worgen fought savagely, as fit their primitive race, but their enemy was unflinching: the Lords of the Emerald Flame."

There's nothing there about a home world or advanced magic. Starsong had a vision of the War of the Satyrs, when the Scythe and the worgen were created.

Book of Ur was just a lot of hypothesis: "They may not be from our world, but avenues exist between their home and ours and powerful magic can pull them here. [...] The worgen's home is a dark place, a place of nightmare. [...] although some Worgen possess powerful magic, they have made no attempts to reach Azeroth of their own accord. [...] As mentioned above, some Worgen are skilled in the mystic arts, and their magic is of darkness and corruption."

What you had was a guy getting glimpses of the Emerald Dream / Nightmare. Maybe that wasn't the original intent, but taking the story in a direction that some people didn't expect doesn't constitute a retcon. Nothing about the lore was changed, it was just explained and expanded.

Gee, I wonder why there is no mention of the home or powerful magic that @Nathreim said was seen by Ur in vision by Starsong. Because it is known they are totally the same character. And the rest of the bits in bold are what? Not original lore? That'd be mighty weird given how the book and the quest involving it have been removed in Cata. Or does this not count because it's a hypothesis? Never mind that it wasn't presented as such.

[derpkitteh]

No it was a clear retcon. The original lore Ur said he looked into their world and saw it was dark place and the worgen possessed highly advanced magic and fought with the lords of emerald flame.

The current lore just them sleeping in the dream not fighting anyone because Malfurion wanted them pacified even in the dream. They also had no magic at all they had all become mindless beast except for Alpha Prime who retained his intelligence after being awoken by Arugal.

the sleeping thing is the only real difference. the dream probably does seem dark and mysterious to someone no affiliated with druidic magic, especially if the nightmare was infesting their part of the dream.

[huth]

Or does this not count because it's a hypothesis? Never mind that it wasn't presented as such.

It's an ingame book. There's no guarantee any of it's contents are true.

[Mehrunes]

It's an ingame book. There's no guarantee any of it's contents are true.

And there's no guarantee it was a mere hypothesis either since it works both ways. Then there's the part where a vision also has no guarantee to be 100% true. And yet Katharinda used it as an argument to dismiss Nathreim's argument about Ur and his work, which is special pleading. There's no salvaging that post.