Berekrly "Free Speech Feyival"

[Tijuana]

How am I moving the goal post when you call 'the left' being anti-Israel.....
Unless you define 'the left' as only being Antifa, which your post definitely did not state.

Every prominent Democrat in America is anti-Israel. It is what it is. It doesn't make them Antisemites per say, it just makes them against the nation of Israel. They do not support the nations existence as a Jewish state, and they do not support the way Israel separates themselves from villains who fire missiles at their homes while they sleep. Nobody reasonable is denying these basic facts.

As for Antifa, I think main stream Democrats are wholly in support of them, in every conceivable way, yes. This is obvious by the way they are defended so vigorously. This is obvious when we look at the alignment of their views as well. Tell me, what ideal does Antifa stand for, that is NOT supported by main stream Democrats?

1. Against free speech - check
2. Against Capitalism - check
3. Violently riots - check
4. Judging people by their physical appearance - check

These are like the four most common things that define American Democrats. None of these ideals are held by the right.

[Mistame]

One thing I learned in this thread: "Sarah" needs to update their gibberish generator. Seems to still be using an alpha.

[Barnabas]

Cool that's not the point. The point is that fucking inbred sheep fuckers pretend to be a victim and act shocked when some racist asshole and or his supporters get their face rightfully fistfucked for being a racist asshole. It's cool to be on board with immigration enforcement, I definitely think we could do better there. But when the douchebag speaking starts talking about genetics and certain races being more violent, not only is that stupid and not based in any reality, but it's disgusting behavior that SHOULD and HAS been shit on for decades.

I see anger management or jail time in your future. You just gotta learn to ignore the speech you disagree with. It's just words.

[OrcsRLame]

Nazis and anarcho-communists are 2 completely different things.

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Liberalism is a capitalist ideology, how is it sad for left wingers to stick to their principles?

What principles defines the left from your point of view? Also, is there such a thing as center left or centrist? Genuinely curious.

[Theinquisition]

Cool that's not the point. The point is that fucking inbred sheep fuckers pretend to be a victim and act shocked when some racist asshole and or his supporters get their face rightfully fistfucked for being a racist asshole. It's cool to be on board with immigration enforcement, I definitely think we could do better there. But when the douchebag speaking starts talking about genetics and certain races being more violent, not only is that stupid and not based in any reality, but it's disgusting behavior that SHOULD and HAS been shit on for decades.

Here's the problem Broney

Most sane rational people don't like or want to associate with Nazi's, KKK, or other extremists. the far left has gotten into the habit of labeling anyone with conservative values, or honestly, anyone right of Bernie Sanders as a Fascist that needs to be stopped from having an opinion at all costs.

When random passerbys and self identified independent moderates are assaulted by communist flag waving deviants, they tend to get pissed and make it a national issue.

[OrcsRLame]

Wasnt it hitlers national socialism that brought forth the genocide?
Yeh, it was socialism. So how are nazi's now all suddenly rightwing?
Im confused...

Nazis self described as Far Right Nationalist, and they had some right wing policies, like lowering the age requirement to own guns. They were also Socialists and had some left wing policies. Nazis were woke alt-centrists.

No but seriously, I think Nazis are a good example of the left-right dichotomy breaking down.

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I haven't had a chance to view the stream, did Ben say anything particularly incendiary at Berkley?

Abortion doctors should be charged with first degree murder because abortion is murder and abortion doctors supposedly understand this.

If you finish high school, don't have kids out of wedlock, and you get a job, you will not be poor in America.

I think those were the most incendiary things he said.

[Blade Wolf]

Every prominent Democrat in America is anti-Israel. It is what it is. It doesn't make them Antisemites per say, it just makes them against the nation of Israel. They do not support the nations existence as a Jewish state, and they do not support the way Israel separates themselves from villains who fire missiles at their homes while they sleep. Nobody reasonable is denying these basic facts.

As for Antifa, I think main stream Democrats are wholly in support of them, in every conceivable way, yes. This is obvious by the way they are defended so vigorously. This is obvious when we look at the alignment of their views as well. Tell me, what ideal does Antifa stand for, that is NOT supported by main stream Democrats?

1. Against free speech - check
2. Against Capitalism - check
3. Violently riots - check
4. Judging people by their physical appearance - check

These are like the four most common things that define American Democrats. None of these ideals are held by the right.

It's not anti-Israel, it's anti-occupation not that hard to understand. They are breaking international law with these occupations.

[OrcsRLame]

Every prominent Democrat in America is anti-Israel. It is what it is. It doesn't make them Antisemites per say, it just makes them against the nation of Israel. They do not support the nations existence as a Jewish state, and they do not support the way Israel separates themselves from villains who fire missiles at their homes while they sleep. Nobody reasonable is denying these basic facts.

As for Antifa, I think main stream Democrats are wholly in support of them, in every conceivable way, yes. This is obvious by the way they are defended so vigorously. This is obvious when we look at the alignment of their views as well. Tell me, what ideal does Antifa stand for, that is NOT supported by main stream Democrats?

1. Against free speech - check
2. Against Capitalism - check
3. Violently riots - check
4. Judging people by their physical appearance - check

These are like the four most common things that define American Democrats. None of these ideals are held by the right.

Didn't Pelosi speak out against Antifa?

[Sinyc]

He is not the only speaker.

I'll give you Bannon, but other than that who is "Alt-Right"?

[Tijuana]

Didn't Pelosi speak out against Antifa?

Yes. So far, she is the only one. She was kind of forced to though, since much of the problem with them, is in her district. I'm pretty sure her big business donors don't want them causing all this destruction.

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It's not anti-Israel, it's anti-occupation not that hard to understand. They are breaking international law with these occupations.

Yet, you ignore the fact that the Left ALSO doesn't support them being a Jewish state. You also ignored my other points but, meh. It doesn't sound like your rebuttal would be very interesting, or have any merit.

[OrcsRLame]

Yes. So far, she is the only one. She was kind of forced to though, since much of the problem with them, is in her district. I'm pretty sure her big business donors don't want them causing all this destruction.

This reminds me of a lot of Reddit posts I've seen about Trump, from far left people.

*Trump does something they like.*
"It doesn't count because xyz! Trump is the devil! REEEEEEEEE!!!!"

[Tijuana]

This reminds me of a lot of Reddit posts I've seen about Trump, from far left people.

*Trump does something they like.*
"It doesn't count because xyz! Trump is the devil! REEEEEEEEE!!!!"

Would it make you feel better if I said she was a good person for denouncing them? What is it you want, exactly? The fact remains, ONE prominent Democrat has denounced them, and that Democrat has SIGNIFICANT outside influence reasons to do what she did. Show me someone with less skin in the game, and I will listen.

Also, why are you reading Reddit posts about Trump. Talk about a swamp...

[OrcsRLame]

Would it make you feel better if I said she was a good person for denouncing them? What is it you want, exactly? The fact remains, ONE prominent Democrat has denounced them, and that Democrat has SIGNIFICANT outside influence reasons to do what she did. Show me someone with less skin in the game, and I will listen.

I don't particularly want anything out of you. Just making an observation.

[callipygoustp]

It's sad that they have to spend so much money to defend the right to speak. The left is really going back to its George Wallace segregationist roots just in a modified way

This is what gets under my skin: the cost to the school and the local municipalities. You want to hold an event? You pay for your security.

[Dreknar20]

It's very rare, VERY fucking rare to be assaulted for having right of center or even hard right views.

so what. All the schools are just imagining the 'safety concerns' that constantly get speakers/events cancelled?

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This is what gets under my skin: the cost to the school and the local municipalities.

someones event. Sanctioned on school campus

Guessing school is still liable if anything happens, hence wanting to beef up even more.

[cparle87]

Fixed that for you.

Precisely.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...ublicOfTyranny

[OrcsRLame]

This is what gets under my skin: the cost to the school and the local municipalities. You want to hold an event? You pay for your security.

If a group engages in criminal activity it's up to the government to deal with it. That's the point of the state monopoly on violence. Even if Shapiro is a dick, (I don't care for him personally) it's not his fault if a group of criminals wants to break shit. That's kind of victim blaming. "These people want to hurt you? You need to pay for the damage because you had the audacity to exist."

Fyi, Shapiro did pay for his security. $15k for his personal guards.

[callipygoustp]

so what. All the schools are just imagining the 'safety concerns' that constantly get speakers/events cancelled?

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someones event. Sanctioned on school campus

Guessing school is still liable if anything happens, hence wanting to beef up even more.

Not sure what stating the well known has to do with whether or not its appropriate for these fire brands to force the exorbitant extra cost of security on the school or municipality. If you're going to be a fire brand, cover your security. Don't be a "socialist/communist" and expect others to do it for you. Righties, once again, leaching off of the lefties.

[OrcsRLame]

Not sure what stating the well known has to do with whether or not its appropriate for these fire brands to force the exorbitant extra cost of security on the school or municipality. If you're going to be a fire brand, cover your security. Don't be a "socialist/communist" and expect others to do it for you. Righties, once again, leaching off of the lefties.

Shapiro hired his personal security out of pocket. The police presence was to protect the students and local businesses from potential criminal activity.

[Blade Wolf]

Yes. So far, she is the only one. She was kind of forced to though, since much of the problem with them, is in her district. I'm pretty sure her big business donors don't want them causing all this destruction.

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Yet, you ignore the fact that the Left ALSO doesn't support them being a Jewish state. You also ignored my other points but, meh. It doesn't sound like your rebuttal would be very interesting, or have any merit.

Do you have any proof that they are anti-Israel specifically because it's a jewish state and not because they've been repeatedly violating international law and maybe the US should stop turning a blind eye to it all the time.