About the reorigination device

[Piamonte]

The halls of reorigination is a titan machine located in Uldum that would have allowed the titans to destroy everything on Azeroth including the old gods, it was some kind of reset button. Back then in Wrath the concept of the world souls didnt exist, we were just left with the idea that for some reason the titans didnt want to use it despite it would have killed the old gods, you have to remember that killing the mortal races isnt really a excuse because acording to Algalon this is something that have been done several times by the titans, it was just bad to the races of azeroth simply because they didnt want to die, but now that the lore has evolved and the concept of the world souls exists, what do you think was the reason the titans had for not using the halls of reorigination to kill the old gods??? do you think that using it would also kill Azeroth´s world soul or at least harm it?? or the reason was something else entirely??

[Razion]

Do you think the Re-origination Device is more powerful than Azeroth? If so, why aren't the bad guys going after the Reorigination Devices instead? Sargeras, for example, would know of it. Wouldn't he go after this instead of Azeroth to use against the Void?

I think it's safe to say Azeroth would survive and recover. (If, slowly, over time.)

But mostly I see the Re-Origination device as a last-gap measure to prevent beings like Sargeras or the Void or the Old Gods from "immediately" controlling Azeroth. It may not destroy Azeroth, but it can buy the Titans time to form a plan or try to stop the enemy in order to save Azeroth, if necessary.

[zlygork]

The titans obviously set it up to protect the soul, my guess is maybe the origination process ises the soul as fuel, much like Argus is used to "reoriginate" individuals and this it would delay Azeroth's birth

[Piamonte]

Do you think the Re-origination Device is more powerful than Azeroth? If so, why aren't the bad guys going after the Reorigination Devices instead? Sargeras, for example, would know of it. Wouldn't he go after this instead of Azeroth to use against the Void?

I think it's safe to say Azeroth would survive and recover. (If, slowly, over time.)

But mostly I see the Re-Origination device as a last-gap measure to prevent beings like Sargeras or the Void or the Old Gods from "immediately" controlling Azeroth. It may not destroy Azeroth, but it can buy the Titans time to form a plan or try to stop the enemy in order to save Azeroth, if necessary.

the twilight hammer tried to take control of it back in cataclysm but they failed. Sargeras doesnt want to destroy Azeroth, he wants to corrupt her the same way he is trying to corrupt the pantheon on argus.

i would still like to know if it would kill Azeroth or harm it in some way, i mean, it stopped the titans from killing the old gods which would have made their job a lot easier but they didnt, there has to be a really good reason for it

[Razion]

the twilight hammer tried to take control of it back in cataclysm but they failed. Sargeras doesnt want to destroy Azeroth, he wants to corrupt her the same way he is trying to corrupt the pantheon on argus.

i would still like to know if it would kill Azeroth or harm it in some way, i mean, it stopped the titans from killing the old gods which would have made their job a lot easier but they didnt, there has to be a really good reason for it

Doesn't really explain why Sargeras isn't going after it... (for like, any number of reasons.)

Well, it does have the name "Re-Originate" in the name-sake, implying at least that it will re-create or allow Azeroth to re-form in some way, which means to some capacity Azeroth would survive the process.

[Qualia]

i would still like to know if it would kill Azeroth or harm it in some way, i mean, it stopped the titans from killing the old gods which would have made their job a lot easier but they didnt, there has to be a really good reason for it

It probably wouldn't kill or even significantly harm Azeroth. Chronicle stated that "In the event that Azeroth's flora and fauna succumbed to corruption, the incredible energies stored inside the great machine could be unleashed to eradicate all life on the world, allowing it to start anew". For the world to "start anew", it wouldn't make sense if it's killed or grievously injured.

Why didn't the Titans use it to kill the Old Gods? Because there was no need to. The fight might have been challenging for the Keepers, but the Titans were always set to win since the start due to the cosmically gap between their powers and the Old Gods. The Old Gods are like fungus, you don't burn your entire body to treat that. When the Forge of Origination was created, the Old Gods were already (almost) perfectly contained and were virtually harmless there. The Titans probably didn't expect themselves to be killed, which gave the OGs a chance to started their prison break plans.

[rogoth]

it has always been lore that when the titans discovered azeroth and attempted to cleanse it of the old god corruption, doing so almost destroyed the planet, blizzard were very vague in why this would happen and obviously since then have given us the reason, but it was always known the reasoning behind the old god's imprisonment just not the actual specifics, that said the re-origination device was a failsafe to completely remove all life from the planet and essentially give the titans a blank slate with which to re purpose the planet into something of their own design and give a fresh start to any creatures they put there.

[zhero]

the titans didn't use the reorigination device to kill the old gods because they believed killing them would destroy azeroth, ie kill the world soul.

[iamthedevil]

It was made specifically to kill the world soul if it were to become too corrupted, so yes it could probably kill it.

[Aquamonkey]

The halls of reorigination is a titan machine located in Uldum that would have allowed the titans to destroy everything on Azeroth including the old gods, it was some kind of reset button. Back then in Wrath the concept of the world souls didnt exist, we were just left with the idea that for some reason the titans didnt want to use it despite it would have killed the old gods, you have to remember that killing the mortal races isnt really a excuse because acording to Algalon this is something that have been done several times by the titans, it was just bad to the races of azeroth simply because they didnt want to die, but now that the lore has evolved and the concept of the world souls exists, what do you think was the reason the titans had for not using the halls of reorigination to kill the old gods??? do you think that using it would also kill Azeroth´s world soul or at least harm it?? or the reason was something else entirely??

The WotLK concept of reorigination was much more powerful. It would completely disassemble the entire planet and reconstitute it from scratch. World Souls weren't conceived yet.

"Searching... Destruction of Prime Designate is considered the first warning sign of systemic planetary failure. Algalon observer entity's arrival is followed by planetary diagnostics resulting in one of two possible reply signals. Reply-code Alpha, signaling "All is well" and Reply-code Omega, signaling planetary re-origination.
[...]
The decomposition of the planet and its living organisms into base elements: metals, rocks, gases. This is followed by a period of reconstitution of each element into the original planetary blueprint.
[...]
Algalon diagnostics assess danger of systemic Old God corruption in planetary vital functions. Calculating chance of Omega Reply-code..."

And the titans did care about the mortal races on Azeroth, which is why reorgination was a last resort. In order to protect the universe, reorigination was necessary if the Old Gods completely corrupted the planet.

"It is in the universe's best interest to re-originate this planet should my analysis find systemic corruption. Do not interfere.
[...]
Analysis complete. There is partial corruption in the planet's life-support systems as well as complete corruption in most of the planet's defense mechanisms."

With no defenses and life-support already partially corrupted, life on Azeroth is determined to be terminal. Since it is doomed to die horrifically, euthanizing the planet so it can start over is a more merciful choice. But again, this is a last resort. Algalon changed his mind because he realized that we might succeed where the titan-imposed defenses failed.

Titans cared about all life, even Old-Gods created ones. They didn't exterminate the aqir or the faceless. They also didn't exterminate the troggs even though they were deemed "unacceptable."

"The trogg retains some composition of Azeroth's various stone core compounds, but the loss of cognitive power makes this variant unacceptable to the Creators."

And while this bit is from a bit after WotLK (2012), it does highlight how precious all life is to the titans:

This is my gift: compassion for all living things. A drive to protect and nurture them. And the ability to heal that which others cannot, birth what others may not, and love even the unlovable--who surely need such grace more than any other souls.
--Twilight of the Aspects

And from 2011 in the WoW Magazine, Eonar has the title "Gentle Caretaker of All Living Things".

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It was made specifically to kill the world soul if it were to become too corrupted, so yes it could probably kill it.

Chronicle says nothing like this. It was made to destroy life on the surface of Azeroth if that life became corrupted. It has nothing to do with the world-soul itself being corrupted.

Much like the Forge of Wills, the Forge of Origination would serve a dual purpose. In the event that Azeroth's flora and fauna succumbed to corruption, the incredible energies stored inside the great machine could be unleashed to eradicate all life on the world, allowing it to start anew.
--Chronicle V1

[DaveL]

The WotLK concept of reorigination was much more powerful. It would completely disassemble the entire planet and reconstitute it from scratch. World Souls weren't conceived yet.

"Searching... Destruction of Prime Designate is considered the first warning sign of systemic planetary failure. Algalon observer entity's arrival is followed by planetary diagnostics resulting in one of two possible reply signals. Reply-code Alpha, signaling "All is well" and Reply-code Omega, signaling planetary re-origination.
[...]
The decomposition of the planet and its living organisms into base elements: metals, rocks, gases. This is followed by a period of reconstitution of each element into the original planetary blueprint.
[...]
Algalon diagnostics assess danger of systemic Old God corruption in planetary vital functions. Calculating chance of Omega Reply-code..."

Those lines are edited by Loken when he took over the Ulduar and fucking up with Odyn. He´ll put anything into description of "DO NOT START THIS MACHINE", so nobody would screw his work up. So i say its purely hypothetical what it would really do.

In Chronicle, it says the Tol´vir have activated Halls of Reorigination against Lei´Shen, but it has been dialed down, in power.. and it "created" desert of Uldum. Yes it wiped clean whatever was outside, but it was supposed to work alongside Engine of the Makers up in the northend like cardiostimulator for Azeroth´s world soul. Well EoM is frozen icicle and HoO is deactivated by us... This should affect World Soul somehow tho..

[Aquamonkey]

Those lines are edited by Loken when he took over the Ulduar and fucking up with Odyn. He´ll put anything into description of "DO NOT START THIS MACHINE", so nobody would screw his work up. So i say its purely hypothetical what it would really do.

In Chronicle, it says the Tol´vir have activated Halls of Reorigination against Lei´Shen, but it has been dialed down, in power.. and it "created" desert of Uldum. Yes it wiped clean whatever was outside, but it was supposed to work alongside Engine of the Makers up in the northend like cardiostimulator for Azeroth´s world soul. Well EoM is frozen icicle and HoO is deactivated by us... This should affect World Soul somehow tho..

..."The WotLK concept..." And Algalon was congruent with the Tribunal of Ages.

The Chronicle description is still weaker than the WotLK one, even without the tol'vir reducing the power for Lei Shen.

[huth]

We don't even know if it would still work correctly at this point. And for rather practical reasons, we won't ever find out unless it's a dud.

[Volardelis]

Doesn't really explain why Sargeras isn't going after it... (for like, any number of reasons.)

Well, it does have the name "Re-Originate" in the name-sake, implying at least that it will re-create or allow Azeroth to re-form in some way, which means to some capacity Azeroth would survive the process.

Well, after Brann almost activated it, he broke it just before it fired. So I would say it is busted and the Tol'vir may or may not have fixed it.

So basically, until Blizzard says something, the Halls of re-origination are just a bunch of broken titan tech

[Razion]

During Ulduar the following exchange happens:

Brann Bronzebeard says: "Planetary re-origination? Speak plainly, ye blasted machine!"
The Archivum System says: "The decomposition of the planet and its living organisms into base elements: metals, rocks, gases. This is followed by a period of reconstitution of each element into the original planetary blueprint."

So, apparently, not only would Azeroth re-form and regenerate into the original Titan Blueprint, but Azeroth's races would as well. This means Dwarfs, Humans, Gnomes would all go back to their base construct forms.

[Stormspark]

It probably wouldn't kill or even significantly harm Azeroth. Chronicle stated that "In the event that Azeroth's flora and fauna succumbed to corruption, the incredible energies stored inside the great machine could be unleashed to eradicate all life on the world, allowing it to start anew". For the world to "start anew", it wouldn't make sense if it's killed or grievously injured.

Why didn't the Titans use it to kill the Old Gods? Because there was no need to. The fight might have been challenging for the Keepers, but the Titans were always set to win since the start due to the cosmically gap between their powers and the Old Gods. The Old Gods are like fungus, you don't burn your entire body to treat that. When the Forge of Origination was created, the Old Gods were already (almost) perfectly contained and were virtually harmless there. The Titans probably didn't expect themselves to be killed, which gave the OGs a chance to started their prison break plans.

Because it won't kill the Old Gods. It will just kill all the stuff on the surface that they had corrupted (since it was supposed to be used in the case of corruption).

[huth]

Because it won't kill the Old Gods. It will just kill all the stuff on the surface that they had corrupted (since it was supposed to be used in the case of corruption).

It probably would if it worked correctly. Problem is that they couldn't be sure it wouldn't also kill or seriously harm Azeroth, or they'd have done this long ago already.

[Lupinemancer]

Sargeras, for example, would know of it.

How? The Titan Keepers created and installed the two forges, with the Titans overseeing the work from above. But Sargeras was not even with the Titans when they created the Keepers, and they never told him about anything other then they had found the planet.
So how would he know about it?

[Evangeliste]

The way I look at it. Sargeras is firstly too busy with his main goal of making a Dark Pantheon that he gives little shits about anything else.

Secondly, Burning Legion is technically self-sufficient, any failure of a demon gets punished by all on Argus (like in Antorus), which take pleasure in Sargeras' original way of dealing with the either unruly or incapable demons. Which to me supports the first point, Sargeras doesn't need to directly involve himself with the demons or actually anything else while he's making his new allies with his train of thoughts.

Which brings me to thirdly, he managed to somehow hatch Argus out of his planetary shell. If that's the case, then Sargeras knows exactly how to birth World Souls. Re-origination is not even required since Argus shows a Titan can be born without the inhabitants being decimated, Sargeras he wants the World Soul, not it's inhabitants and in his mind Sargeras sees us Pc's as ants if not even less than that. We can be dealt with by his minions of Burning Legion, even then if the Dark Titans become, we will be less than an very minor annoyance.

Onward to fourthly, because of the previous points - Sargeras going after the re-origination devices is a completely pointless exercise. Why? Because if the Titans souls ARE corrupted, what do you think his first task will be? To go straight for Azeroth and procure her for his Dark Pantheon. And to be fair, virtually nothing except the Void Lords themselves can be a match for all of the known Titans together.
If a Titan can completely screw over an Old God (perhaps not individually like before since their original bodies were destroyed), but together they can all wipe out and nullify any opposition as a happy family and birth Azeroth. Destroying the Old Gods, all inhabitants including everything is just wasted time and effort by using the re-origination machine. Even the Titanic Keepers wouldn't be a match.

Once Azeroth is born, we are potentially all fucked as the PC crew.

[Razion]

How? The Titan Keepers created and installed the two forges, with the Titans overseeing the work from above. But Sargeras was not even with the Titans when they created the Keepers, and they never told him about anything other then they had found the planet.
So how would he know about it?

He was involved with the creation of many planets and fought on many against demons for a long time on them. Defending Titan facilities would be kind of impossible if he didn't know of their locations. (Plus, considering his station as Titan, shouldn't that make him omniscient to some extent?) And even if he didn't know of Titan defenses before while he was a Titan, he surely would have learned of them later when he became the Lord of the Burning Legion -- as he would have conquered infinite worlds up until this point, swarming them over and destroying them completely. I don't think it follows that he wouldn't know of something as critical to defense against the Void like Re-Origination unless either Azeroth is the first to have such technology, or if he just did a "destroy planets first ask questions later" sort of deal. Which, as we've seen with Argus at least, wouldn't be to the extent that he couldn't still investigate the planet afterwards. And even if Sargeras never found anything, it's unlikely that with all demons existing ever over the course of the entire universe that one demon wouldn't come across such a facility on some planet and relay the information back to him.