Uber Banned In London

[GreenJesus]

Do you have any idea what it takes to be a taxi drive in UK? You have to go through lots of tests and memorize every street in London.

What's the point of that?? luuul... just put it in the GPS and profit.

[Puri]

Europeans don't like us. Uber is just the last US tech company to be attacked by European regulations.

No, mainly that's just a difference between the common and the civil law system. While on paper also the UK uses common law, it's strong ties to the EU (or european countries in general) now make it use the principles of the civil law system.
In the civil law systems the legislative tries to protect it's citizens by regulating before something happens. This also gives companies that act within those rules legal certaincy.
While the common law system usually reacts after something has happened. That obviously gives the people and companies more freedoms, but it also lacks legal certaincy for companies and creates room for -sometimes even unexpected - lawsuits.

[Lochton]

No one really likes Uber.

Either they can't keep their licenses because they operate badly, or they get caught cheating in taxes, or drives fail to know the basic first aid, or the vehicles aren't up to code for people transport.

[Planetdune]

I don't mind. I only been in London twice, in the UK three times. I have never used Uber and only once a Taxi in my life. This is no-news.

[Independent voter]

Get lost with your US victim complex. European companies breaking the law also get rightful shit for it. There is no grand crusade against US companies just due to the fact they are from US.

Google got fined billions by the EU for what, competing with newspaper ads?

Apple got fined billions by the EU for putting its European headquarters in Ireland and the did it when nobody was investing in Ireland.

Intel – 1.06 billion euros

Microsoft – 899 million euros AND 561 million euros

Facebook – 110 million euros

I could see it if it was just one or two companies, but all of them?

It's good politics for the EU to go after US companies cause most Europeans hate America.

[idunnowatdo]

Do you have any idea what it takes to be a taxi drive in UK? You have to go through lots of tests and memorize every street in London.

youre not allowed gps?

[Deleted]

youre not allowed gps?

They're an institution. GPS aren't 100% reliable ethier way. Also there is safety concerns etc.

[Zelk]

Good, fuck Uber

[Novakhoro]

well thats unusual in my place, sorry for you. But u must be pretty and its cool! Gotta find good things everywhere. Bad looking girl wont be harassed thought^)

This dude just said that @Crissi should feel complimented for being sexually harassed. We're fucked.

[Mehrunes]

This was pushed by the taxi lobby, and is a smokescreen. It's quite simply an attempt to regulate business to death. The existence of a law is not a justification for it. If an individual car does not comply to the standards, then don't let that car be used.

People should have the option, and let them ride something that is not approved of by the government. They are doing so at their own risk. Everyone gets what they want.

Because Uber wasn't already banned in a plethora of European countries, some of which either lack a monopolized taxi industry and/or a strong taxi lobby /s

And who said anything about an existence of law being a justification for it? I sure as hell didn't. Again, that's what lobbying is for. And it's a concept much more common in US, so Uber, a company from US, should feel at home doing it in UK. They could beat the opposition with lobbying experience.

Or bribe some politicians, given how they have no qualms about doing illegal things (and after all, bribes being illegal is no justification for the law criminalizing them and if Uber decides to bribe the officials, everyone will get what they want with no harm to the state ) If the law is not justifiable, the lobbying process should be easy. But Uber is not trying to do so for shit, because it benefits from regulations being as they are and just breaking them, while the law-abiding companies incur extra costs due to not being dipshits.

And no, people should not have the option to ride something that is not approved by the government if there is such an approval mechanism in place. Because concepts like rule of law or even society in general actually exist, because the real world is not your laissez faire anarcho-capitalist Utopia.

And the exact same "lel, people are doing so at their own risk" overdone deregulation you're championing (well, technically you're championing ignoring the laws a company dislikes, but the only difference is the amount of companies that'd be affected) is the reason why US airlines have issues for both passengers and the airlines themselves, with even a former CEO of American Airlines having this to say: "market forces alone cannot and will not produce a satisfactory airline industry". And just like Uber and the business model it represents, after that gung ho deregulation the industry overall actually lost money.

[Machismo]

Because Uber wasn't already banned in a plethora of European countries, some of which either lack a monopolized taxi industry and/or a strong taxi lobby /s

And who said anything about an existence of law being a justification for it? I sure as hell didn't. Again, that's what lobbying is for. And it's a concept much more common in US, so Uber, a company from US, should feel at home doing it in UK. They could beat the opposition with lobbying experience.

Or bribe some politicians, given how they have no qualms about doing illegal things (and after all, bribes being illegal is no justification for the law criminalizing them and if Uber decides to bribe the officials, everyone will get what they want with no harm to the state ) If the law is not justifiable, the lobbying process should be easy. But Uber is not trying to do so for shit, because it benefits from regulations being as they are and just breaking them, while the law-abiding companies incur extra costs due to not being dipshits.

And no, people should not have the option to ride something that is not approved by the government if there is such an approval mechanism in place. Because concepts like rule of law or even society in general actually exist, because the real world is not your laissez faire anarcho-capitalist Utopia.

And the exact same "lel, people are doing so at their own risk" overdone deregulation you're championing (well, technically you're championing ignoring the laws a company dislikes, but the only difference is the amount of companies that'd be affected) is the reason why US airlines have issues for both passengers and the airlines themselves, with even a former CEO of American Airlines having this to say: "market forces alone cannot and will not produce a satisfactory airline industry". And just like Uber and the business model it represents, after that gung ho deregulation the industry overall actually lost money.

I'm championing the removal of all laws which do not restrict an action that does not cause actual harm. It's what I've always done. London is trying to regulate Uber to death, all to maintain their taxi monopoly. It goes directly against free market principles, and the government's attempt to enact a monopoly.

[Mehrunes]

Google got fined billions by the EU for what, competing with newspaper ads?

Apple got fined billions by the EU for putting its European headquarters in Ireland and the did it when nobody was investing in Ireland.

Intel – 1.06 billion euros

Microsoft – 899 million euros AND 561 million euros

Facebook – 110 million euros

I could see it if it was just one or two companies, but all of them?

It's good politics for the EU to go after US companies cause most Europeans hate America.

Yeah, because big companies skirting the law is so unfathomable. Especially when it comes to US companies that not only are used to more lax legal environment in general, but also to a much more intertwined state of things between big business and government, which leads to various further benefits. And even they get in trouble in US. Intel, Microsoft and Apple have all been fined by FCC.

Furthermore, oh noes, "all" of the four companies that had big, widely reported cases against EU were fined? That's not cherry-picking data at all and those four companies totally reflect the state of things of the hundreds of US companies operating in EU So, again, get lost with your victim complex.

[Tijuana]

Uber London licence not renewed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41358640

So TfL has taken the decision to non-renew Uber's license in London.

This will likely put 40,000 Uber drivers out of work in the capital, and force the 3.5 Million Londoners who used Uber over the last year to rely on the more expensive and infrequent black cabs.

Interesting that the Black Cab Unions (who came down very solidly behind current mayor Sadiq Khan during his election campaign) have now succeeded in getting their biggest competitor banned.


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I feel sorry for Europeans who have to live under rigid government control, where the state has to approve all transactions among the populace. Do they tell you who to marry also? I mean, if you are not allowed to pay someone to give you a ride in their car, without big brother's approval, what the hell DO they let you do on your own?

This is why Socialism is bad. It always ends badly.

[Fonduset]

back to expensive black cabs then. what a shame

[Mehrunes]

I feel sorry for Europeans who have to live under rigid government control, where the state has to approve all transactions among the populace. Do they tell you who to marry also? I mean, if you are not allowed to pay someone to give you a ride in their car, without big brother's approval, what the hell DO they let you do on your own?

This is why Socialism is bad. It always ends badly.

True, UK is widely known as the main hive of socialism in the world after USSR fell.

[Hammerfest]

Do you have any idea what it takes to be a taxi drive in UK? You have to go through lots of tests and memorize every street in London.

I know what it takes in New York City... between $700,000 and $1,000,000 for just one license.

[Tijuana]

There is nothing new about it, it's just using a loophole.

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*YAWN*

We decided on these things ourselves, nothing was forced upon us.

Yep. It was choice. But what is the alternative to the choice? Less money, right? A LOT less money. So, railing on about Russia, while your sugar daddy does literally EVERYTHING Russia does, is pretty transparent.

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Do you have any idea what it takes to be a taxi drive in UK? You have to go through lots of tests and memorize every street in London.

Do you know WHY they have such strict requirements? It's crony capitalism. Any idiot with a car can drive people places, as proven by Uber. But powerful taxi cartels have erected barriers to enter the market, in nearly every city in the world. They don't want competition, so they make it nigh impossible for a competitor to enter the market. They get laws passed that create requirements for huge bonds, ridiculous testing standards (that they will cheat on), government controlled areas of coverage, etc. This is why it will always be Capitalism>Socialism>Crony Capitalism>Communism.

[zEmini]

I just hope it wasn't banned because of the violent cab lobby. See Paris.

[Tijuana]

Yeah, more efficient for the company to make money by taking advantage of workers.

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The majority of the regulations are meant to protect workers. Of course, most people seem to think fewer regulations somehow means more freedom when in reality fewer regulations mean corporations have more freedom which in turn means less freedom for the workers.

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It has nothing to do with maintaining their taxi monopoly. It's about protecting employees and consumers.

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Pretending like this matter is as simple as "paying someone to give you a ride in their car" really highlights how little you're actually grasping the topic.

Regulations exist for a reason. Some are shit but most are needed to protect consumers and employees. No one is going to stop you from paying some random person $10 for a ride somewhere. The regulations are obviously meant for someone creating a business out the practice.

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Another highlight of how little you understand the shit you talk about. Most countries work as a mixture of the first two. Capitalism alone is fucking terrible. I guarantee you if we had a real free market, no one would actually be free at this point.

Yes, regulations DO exist for a reason. In this case, the reason is to allow a taxi cartel to operate without competition, which drives up the price. This is where Leftist ideology always leads: heavy government control of everything, and some officials cousin running the company that benefits.

[Machismo]

Yeah, more efficient for the company to make money by taking advantage of workers.

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The majority of the regulations are meant to protect workers. Of course, most people seem to think fewer regulations somehow means more freedom when in reality fewer regulations mean corporations have more freedom which in turn means less freedom for the workers.

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It has nothing to do with maintaining their taxi monopoly. It's about protecting employees and consumers.

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Pretending like this matter is as simple as "paying someone to give you a ride in their car" really highlights how little you're actually grasping the topic.

Regulations exist for a reason. Some are shit but most are needed to protect consumers and employees. No one is going to stop you from paying some random person $10 for a ride somewhere. The regulations are obviously meant for someone creating a business out the practice.

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Another highlight of how little you understand the shit you talk about. Most countries work as a mixture of the first two. Capitalism alone is fucking terrible. I guarantee you if we had a real free market, no one would actually be free at this point.

If the people don't like it, they don't have to work for Uber. Their employees are not victims.