Is Legion the best expansion to date?

[TOM_RUS]

One of the worst expansions.

[patuxz]

Any thoughts on content re-usability?
Did Blizzard go all-in with this expansion?

We've had:
- Emerald dream (or the nightmare) finally disclosed
- Burning Crusade and legion invasion brought to an end
- Draenei getting their retribution and their lore disclosed
- Naga
- Murloc / sea giants / "Azshara zone" theme
- Valkyr and the "nordic viking" theme
- (Night) Elf theme and lore dealt with greatly.
- WC3 lore disclosed.

I'm sure there's more topics to deal with, but this a lot of content and themes used.
I'm just thinking how hard it will be for blizzard to match up this expansion.
I think the only way is to really invent new stuff. Much like they created Naxx / AQ40 AND their events. I'd think that the era of recycling content is over.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Did you even play Wotlk? And are you seriously comparing things like modern day graphics and voice acting to something that released like 10 years ago?..



In terms of npc presence, go to Icecrown and Northrend in general and show me anything from Legion that compares.

... Yes, I played WOTLK when it was current, and as I said, am playing through it right now...

Also:

Argus.

Azsuna

Stormheim

Broken Shore

Highmountain

Val'sharah is the only zone with less Legion presence, but that's remedied whenever there's an Invasion going on.

How you've managed to miss it to such a degree is fascinating.

[KoolKidKaos]

I play this game for many reasons, Raiding is the main, I enjoy it a lot. Pvp is 2nd, I enjoy casually pvping, I always have, and always will. 3rd I enjoy alts, I enjoy being able to log into different characters, with different names, and personalities really, when it comes to play style, and how they operate.

Raiding for me was it's most fun, during BT, it was my first raiding experience and my favorite. Pvping casually was at it's best, you had twinks, you had pve gear in pvp, you had fast bg queues, you had semi balanced playstyle. It was all fun, and then ofc alts were tough to level to 70, but it was fun. Once you were 70, you enjoyed logging in to them, wasn't hard to catch them up, and it was just fun. So BC will always be my favorite.

Wotlk came in a close 2nd, ICC and Ulduar took the cake. Pvp was it's most balanced, and alts were made even easier to manage because heirlooms first came out.

MoP was better to me than Legion, because the Raids were spaced out well, SoO just took a little too long. The dungeons were fun, challenge modes had great rewards, and the feel, the lore, the scenery was gorgeous and I just loved flying around. Pvp was pretty crazy with the CC everywhere, but it was fun as hell, and OQ was great for RBGs, and pugging.

Legion comes 4th for me, because of four things. 1. It's not alt friendly, even now on the last patch, legendaries are still hard as hell to acquire for alts, and they shouldn't be. 2. RNG, too much of it, and too few lottery winners, with a game that revolves around getting lucky with every aspect, not enough payouts. You can't have this much RNG, and only 5% or less benefit from it. 3.Pvp, it is so bad this expansion, I don't even do random bgs anymore, I don't arena, and I breifly RBG'd. And Lastly, Legendaries, this whole expansion I've been hunting down legendaries, my Main had to wait til the last legend for each spec, to obtain the BiS ones. That is just dumb, and I can't agree with a game format set up that way. If those 4 reasons were fixed, I would say yeah, easily comes in 3rd. But Legion it's 4th for me.

[Deleted]

* > Legion > Cataclysm > WoD

Third from bottom.

Zones design is quite nice, but zones added later, except for Mc'Aree, are among worst ever designed. As far as raids go, Nighthold was nice, the rest are crap. Dungeons aren't bad.

However AP grind, gear RNG, reputation rewards RNG overshadow all good points. AP grind is endless with no goal in sight. Reputation rewards RNG... can't even imagine how could anyone think this is a good idea. Its all endless grinds. Not having reachable goal kills game for me.

Professions are generic and dull. Quests are nice addition, but lack of imagination in ingredients and recipe ranks ruin it all.

World quests system seemed like a good idea at start of expansion, but now I think its one of worst additions to game. No need to think, just get to quest area, magically receive quest that no longer requires even basic thinking, kill, instantly receive rewards. Quests expire, spawn and despawn randomly, rewards are random each time, so by not logging in every few hours players can miss out on good rewards. Brainless fast food of gaming.

legion in a nutshell.

Well put!

[nyc81991]

... Yes, I played WOTLK when it was current, and as I said, am playing through it right now...

Also:

Argus.

Azsuna

Stormheim

Broken Shore

Highmountain

Val'sharah is the only zone with less Legion presence, but that's remedied whenever there's an Invasion going on.

How you've managed to miss it to such a degree is fascinating.

You can't compare modern mechanics like invasions and graphics to a game that released almost 10 years ago. But even then invasions still have nothing on Icecrown scourge presence so if that's your only argument you are going to need to try harder. Even though it honestly has nothing to do with what I was talking about, which is atmosphere and immersion. Hell, Duskwood in vanilla felt darker in theme than most of Legion has felt.

[tikcol]

Legion is a filthy casino expansion. They couldn't hook players with quality, instead they hook them with insane rng tactics for a quick rush.

Pathetic Blizzard, just pathetic. Perhaps the next expansion will resemble World of Warcraft again.

[McNeil]

Its about in the middle of best-worst expansions. Better than Cata, WoD, maybe MoP if Antorus will be good and depending on what happens during the drought. But worse than TBC and WotLK, who have both been phenominal. Legion does have a lot to do but there's so much horrible execution to be found almost anywhere you go, from making Suramar so beautiful yet tedious pre-flying, to making classes pruned so hard they lost their fun, by making this game feel like a huge endless grind.

The best way to judge Legion is after its done though. They recently released their last major patch, its just the final raid thats coming and then its up to another content drought which is usually the time where people look back more negatively.

[Awsumpossum]

The raids have been atrocious. I don't know what game you've been playing.

[Queen of Hamsters]

You can't compare modern mechanics like invasions and graphics to a game that release almost 10 years ago. But even then invasions still have nothing on Icecrown scourge presence so if that's your only argument you are going to need to try harder. Even though it honestly has nothing to do with what I was talking about with atmosphere and immersion. Hell, Duskwood in vanilla felt darker in theme than most of Legion has felt.

Argus is more than comparable to Icecrown in terms of darkness and villain presence. Suramar City has an entire area in it filled with gore, there's deception, madness, murder, slavery, soul harvesting etc etc going on in full swing throughout Legion... But you somehow manage to miss it.

I'll just refer to my original conclusion and leave it at that.

[morph4037]

For me it's the second worst, but to each their own.

I have to second this.

[caervek]

WQ are repetitive and fixed as much as dailies were

Well no they're not because it isn't the same thing every day.

and the rewards are lackluster and boring

Yup that's what I said, previous systems or rewarding currency (or useful rep) was much better.

[GhostShaman]

seriously?
raiding with alts took for fucking EVER
simply because of the time it took to get all the way to do all the earlier raids to then move onto the later raids.

I dont get this. It was EASY to gear alts in TBC, not easy to do all the rep/token grinds with alts, but raiding? I had 3 toons the first year(priest, pally, lock) that were raiding Mags, Gruuls(lock tank ftw) and TK. You could simply get "blued" up by doing all the dungeons and start hitting the raids.

[Regalbeast]

Yes, in my opinion it is the best. I think it will be looked back upon with great fondness (as all of them are except WoD....).

The work that they did with each class spec is truly amazing. So many awesome class specific quests, rewards, etc. The zones, raids, M+, artifact system....all amazing.

If I identified one area where I think they kind of messed up it's with legendaries. Pretty lame how that was handled (pure, frustrating RNG). I have 16 days played at max level on my Shaman and I have 5 legendaries, none of which are considered BiS.

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I dont get this. It was EASY to gear alts in TBC, not easy to do all the rep/token grinds with alts, but raiding? I had 3 toons the first year(priest, pally, lock) that were raiding Mags, Gruuls(lock tank ftw) and TK. You could simply get "blued" up by doing all the dungeons and start hitting the raids.

Maybe it was considered "easy" to you if you had all the time in the world to play. However, compared to now, gearing in BC was an absolute grind and nightmare (finding your own groups, low drop rates, difficult mechanics, etc.)

[FelPlague]

Linking a picture of 3 models has nothing to do with the execution of Demons in a story or atmospheric sense.

You people really like making up random stuff like "but you must have maybe played... a dk, and thats it?". Not factual arguments (which are wrong by the way) make you look silly.

except the legion does tons of deceiting and sacrificing etc, in the class campaigns, i think the only one that doesent see that is the DK, so i assumed since you said they do little of that, you only play a dk.

[Deleted]

Did you even play Wotlk? And are you seriously comparing things like modern day graphics and voice acting to something that released like 10 years ago?..

In terms of npc presence, go to Icecrown and Northrend in general and show me anything from Legion that compares.

We do compare modern day voice acting, which is scraping the bottom of Mariana Trench, to ancient voice acting of WotLK, which kicked ass. Seeing this level of BS I see only darkness before me.

[Hotsforyou]

Not by a long shot. BC would like a word with you. Then Wrath right behind that. IMO it goes BC>Wrath>MoP>Legion=WoD=Cata.

[Dahij]

Well no they're not because it isn't the same thing every day.

A lot of daily hubs had rotating dailies, just like WQs.

[Dracullus]

Easily the best. It's a fact, because my opinion and my playstyle are superior to yours.

Arguments? No, I won't use any, my opinion is superior anyway.



...but seriously, threads like this usually turn to pointless whinefest, no matter if expac is good or not. And yes whiners, you are vocal minority. Ask OP for poll and you find out for yourself.

[Jaylock]

You're trolling aren't you? This has to be a joke. This is just slightly better that WOD, and it took Illidan and the demon hunter class to make it just slightly better. Ever since this trend of Gate and RNG everything started, these expacs get worse and worse. Im honestly dreading the next one...

Wrong.

Objectively speaking, Legion is right up there with TBC / Cata / WotLK.