Gov. Rick Scott declares emergency ahead of white nationalist speech at UF

[Mormolyce]

Great fucking refutation. Your biased opinion means nothing, BTW.

Accuses me of being biased while regurgitating neo-Nazi propaganda, I'm cut.

[A dot Ham]

The Nazis political beliefs concerning healthcare were purely opportunistic as they were in all fascist countries. Fascist scholars view bread-and-butter policies as irrelevant to to designation of the term.

LOL... I'm going to let you in a little secret. The affordable healthcare act was actually originally written by... wait for... republicans.

[Deleted]

Didn't we just liberate a city from ISIS... like yesterday. Old indeed.

Tangential deflection. Wow that's reallly an effective way to hide your true opinion and not a tell or anything.

Here's some more rope....

[Mormolyce]

LOL... I'm going to let you in a little secret. The affordable healthcare act was actually originally written by... wait for... republicans.

You know we all know that, right?

[A dot Ham]

Tangential deflection. Wow that's reallly an effective way to hide your true opinion and not a tell or anything.

Here's some more rope....

Just pointing out the ridiculousness of your arguments, and your crafty ability to find enemies where there are none.

You NEED me to be a Nazi... it helps your fiction.

aaaaaaand a hanging metaphor how apropos.

[OrcsRLame]

Most are probably just edgelords.

Some are actual fascist sympathisers, racists etc.

A few are free range farm fresh trolls in the pocket of the alt right and/or Putin.

For me, it's none of the above. I speak in the defense of Nazis because I believe in the rule of law. Hate Nazis, but I don't want to deny our citizens their human rights, even if they believe retarded shit. I feel exactly the same way about communists.

And no, punching a Nazi is not the same as our grandparents killing Nazis in WW2. That was war against an invading foreign army. This is our own people getting into stupid fights with each other. It's not equivalent.

And even if it was equivalent, it's some revisionist bullshit to act like WW2 soldiers were jovial about their body count. Many times allied soldiers spared Nazis and took them prisoner instead of butchering or torturing them. Nazis did the same for our soldiers.

The world isn't black and white. I think people like you and @advanta act like children playing at being superheroes. You idolize the violence of the past instead of trying to learn from it.

[urasim]

You are splitting hairs and mostly off-base.

No, they're not.

ISIS are an "old" organization. They were formed from the remnants of al-quaeda in Iraq.

ISIS isn't an old organization. They're here, in our time. They formed from other groups, sure, but that doesn't mean they're not a completely new group, and they were growing at a large rate including people who weren't part of the older groups. You don't call a WoW guild an Neo-Everquest guild when some founding member who were from everquest. That's dumb.

The Nazis political beliefs concerning healthcare were purely opportunistic as they were in all fascist countries. Fascist scholars view bread-and-butter policies as irrelevant to to designation of the term.

Yeah, the minority at the top used socialized healthcare as a tool(much like many of our current politicians). But the VAST majority of Nazis wanted it. You can't say the same about neo-Nazis.

Accuses me of being biased while regurgitating neo-Nazi propaganda, I'm cut.

You don't even know what propaganda is.

[A dot Ham]

There's no middle here. There's no equivocation with Nazis. You are either opposed to them or you need to get out of the fucking way, because the rest of us don't want to end up in concentration camps like our grandparents did.

Holy shit what is that 4 logical fallacies right there.
Appeal to emotion
burden of proof
bandwagon
black-or-white

Your level of ignorance makes my skin crawl.

[Deleted]

For me, it's none of the above. I speak in the defense of Nazis because I believe in the rule of law. Hate Nazis, but I don't want to deny our citizens their human rights, even if they believe retarded shit. I feel exactly the same way about communists.

The rule of law does not extend to letting drunked armed nazis, take over a town, go on the rampage and kill someone in a terror attack.

At that stage law and order has broken down. Law enforcement should never have allowed it. Indeed, nazi groups should be banned in the same way as ISIS is.

[Theinquisition]

Pretty sure I extended an olive branch and opportunity to meet somewhere in the middle as I am no Nazi lover... WWII or the quasi wannabe khaki/polo shirt wearing, tiki torch toting morons of 2017, and I was accused of being a Nazi supporter because of it. You can all go fuck yourselves for all I care. I don't give a shit. You don't have a moral high ground and the vast majority of us that are caught somewhere here in the middle see you for what you really are... hypocrites.

To these folks, there is no middle ground, or conversation to be had, hell they don't even understand the concept that you don't have to agree with someone's positions to defend their right to voice them

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Great fucking refutation. Your biased opinion means nothing, BTW.

well, you're also talking to a guy that was celebrating on 9/11.

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For me, it's none of the above. I speak in the defense of Nazis because I believe in the rule of law. Hate Nazis, but I don't want to deny our citizens their human rights, even if they believe retarded shit. I feel exactly the same way about communists.

And no, punching a Nazi is not the same as our grandparents killing Nazis in WW2. That was war against an invading foreign army. This is our own people getting into stupid fights with each other. It's not equivalent.

And even if it was equivalent, it's some revisionist bullshit to act like WW2 soldiers were jovial about their body count. Many times allied soldiers spared Nazis and took them prisoner instead of butchering or torturing them. Nazis did the same for our soldiers.

The world isn't black and white. I think people like you and @advanta act like children playing at being superheroes. You idolize the violence of the past instead of trying to learn from it.

Well said.

I have yet to talk to a leftist that can explain to me why Punching a communist isn't as justifiable as punching a nazi

[Deianeira]

Can I get in on the ground floor of what's going to be some gold-winning mental gymnastics to defend Spencer and "white nationalism" while also claiming to not be defending Spencer or white nationalism?

Also,

To the contrary, you should counter protest at every available opportunity, lest you lead them and others to believe those ideas are okay.

QFT Exactly right the moment you stop protesting evil and stupid ideas is when you give up, also if people say "Let them speak without Contest they have no support anyways" i just have this to say, How did you get your current president?? And furthermore how can he still have so much support from the Republican party as he still have even though he lies every other Word he utters.

[Deleted]

I have yet to talk to a leftist that can explain to me why Punching a communist isn't as justifiable as punching a nazi

Because communism isn't an explicitly hateful ideology, and not every communist regime was exceptionally violent.

There was one nazi regime and it was explicitly anti-semitic and genocidal. It isn't even as if the Charlottesville protesters were looking to the comparatively "moderate" fascists like Franco and pre-war Mussolini. They were wearing swastikas, it is an explicit allusion to the holocaust.

For a rough analogy, a left-wing protester would have to be carrying a flag of Stalin for the things to be equivalent. Then, by all means, you can punch them with my permission, though given recent military history I'd urge you to be careful not to hit any small children in the vicinity by mistake.

[Mormolyce]

For me, it's none of the above. I speak in the defense of Nazis because I believe in the rule of law. Hate Nazis, but I don't want to deny our citizens their human rights, even if they believe retarded shit. I feel exactly the same way about communists.

Who's talking about denying them human rights?

This thread is about people protesting against them and telling them what a piece of worthless shit their ideology is.

Rather amusing you accusing me of idolising the violence of the past though, lol.

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You don't even know what propaganda is.

I get a sample of it on here on a nearly daily basis lately kek.

Although to be fair, you're pretty bad at it.

[urasim]

Because communism isn't an explicitly hateful ideology, and not every communist regime was exceptionally violent.

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I have a feeling that you don't even know what a communist regime is, or how they gather and redistribute the wealth in the first place.

I get a sample of it on here on a nearly daily basis lately kek.

Although to be fair, you're pretty bad at it.

There's a key component to propaganda that you seem to be neglecting. I bet you don't even know what that is since you seem to be 100% incorrect on you assumption.

[Machismo]

I have a feeling that you don't even know what a communist regime is or how they gather and redistribute the wealth in the first place.

Comparing Nazism to communism isn't the best analogy. It would be better to compare it to Stalinism.

Hell, many hippies were communists,a nd just moved into the mountains and got stoned together.

[Deleted]

I have a feeling that you don't even know what a communist regime is or how they gather and redistribute the wealth in the first place.

Yeah I didn't spend all those years in university reading obscure texts on the history of political thought or anything.

Jeb here and his friends know better. Commies are evil-doers! TV, talk radio and the internet told them.

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Comparing Nazism to communism isn't the best analogy. It would be better to compare it to Stalinism.

Hell, many hippies were communists,a nd just moved into the mountains and got stoned together.

I'll throw them a bone here and say that any one promoting symbols of authoritarianism, including nominally socialist ones: eg hammer and sickle, is doing something unacceptable. If not exactly equivalent almost all authoritarian systems are repulsive.

[Machismo]

Yeah I didn't spend all those years in University reading obscure text on the History of political thought or anything.

Jeb here and his friends know better. Commies are evil-doers! TV, talk radio and the internet told them.

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I'll throw them a bone here and say that any one promoting symbols of authoritarianism, including nominally socialist ones: eg hammer and sickle, is doing something unacceptable. If not exactly equivalent almost all authoritarian systems are repulsive.

I agree. Anyone with a Stalinist mentality is an asshat, as is anyone who cheers on guys like Che

[OrcsRLame]

Who's talking about denying them human rights?

This thread is about people protesting against them and telling them what a piece of worthless shit their ideology is.

Rather amusing you accusing me of idolising the violence of the past though, lol.

Do you think it's justifiable to punch a Nazi purely based on the fact that they're a Nazi? It's a simple yes or no question.

[Deleted]

Do you think it's justifiable to punch a Nazi purely based on the fact that they're a Nazi? It's a simple yes or no question.

No, let's go back to the part where you said this was a law and order issue, and skirted past the fact that drunked armed nazis took over a town and killed someone in a terror attack. Because, it is very difficult to believe you could bullshit your way past that without being sympathetic to the far right.

[OrcsRLame]

The rule of law does not extend to letting drunked armed nazis, take over a town, go on the rampage and kill someone in a terror attack.

Right, it explicitly forbids that. Though I find your framing of what happened disingenuous.

At that stage law and order has broken down. Law enforcement should never have allowed it.

Totally agree. That is one of many reasons why I think Governor Rick Scott is totally sensible for having a large police presence. The rule of law needs to be upheld, and those that try and violate it need a jackboot up their ass.

Indeed, nazi groups should be banned in the same way as ISIS is.

First off, ISIS is listed as a terrorist organization, but agreeing with them is not a crime. I'm an American. I can say ISIS is great, death to the infidels, and the government will not haul me off to prison or put a bullet in my head. They'll put me on a watch list, but they won't actually do anything unless I do something suspicious, like start buying bomb components.

And secondly fuck no. It would be equivalent if all Wahhabi groups were listed as terrorists, but they're not. The US government labels specific groups as terrorists, not ideologies. It does the former instead of the latter because the latter lowers the bar for what counts as a crime.

Let me put it this way. Advanta, you're a Nazi. Now prove me wrong. If you can't, you'll spend the rest of your life in prison. Is any of this getting through to you, or am I an alt-right troll employed by Putin to advance the goals of Fasist Russiamerica?

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No, let's go back to the part where you said this was a law and order issue, and skirted past the fact that drunked armed nazis took over a town and killed someone in a terror attack. Because, it is very difficult to believe you could bullshit your way past that without being sympathetic to the far right.

I addressed this in my post to you just now. Apparently me responding to someone else first is skirting past an issue.