Do you reject all aspects of Nationalism?

[Garnier Fructis]

Inclusive nationalism is the one that trump is trying to sell but an angry media and democrats are doing their best to turn it into ethno-nationalism.

Thank you for your input. I wasn't talking exclusively about Trump.

For example, I'm also vehemently against ethno-nationalism in my country of birth, because that was why I was denied citizenship at birth (dual citizenships are and were allowed, so that wasn't the problem). The law was changed recently with retro-active effect, so I can claim citizenship any time I choose. And I intend to do so in about a decade, when I'm over the mandatory military service age for citizens. It will be my own personal "Fuck You" to the ethno-nationalists.

[Holofernes]

We should be clear that I am not talking about Ethno-Nationalism. I'm talking about policies that are aimed at improving the conditions within the border of the country in question even if its at the behest of countries outside the border.

This could be things like

-Taking less international students at universities to provide better education opportunities for your own citizens
-Universal Healthcare
-Infrastructure revival
-Free College
-Basic Income

I think even the ardent socialists on this board would agree that those are not sustainable on a global scale at the current time. But if we are to achieve those things, don't we have to be able to unite under a common border?

i dont think any of your points are things that have anything to do with nationalism.

Nationalism is beeing sworn to your country, and to defend it loyally and fight for it with any means in any situation.

universal healthcare is a basic standard in the developed world, it has nothing to do with nationalism.
Free college: the same as above.
Basic income: thats not something that has anything to do with nationalism, its a topic on its own, and most humans tend to be too lazy for this to work.
Infrastructure: thats a task of the government, they collect taxes and built and maintain public infrastructure, road, trains, water pipes , school, kindergardens, school and so on. The common infrastructure is one of the main reasons why nations exist

Taking less international students: well im not into this. having guys from abroad at university gives u insight how others solve the same problems. u learn more and other techniques. Having student collaeages from china or iran or india or russia gave me more insight and a broader array of approaches and methods in my field.

[Theodarzna]

Yes. Already answered. Curiosity. Are you going to explain your point of view?

What is to explain? I'm not going to write a full length essay for the sake of MMO-OT.

[belfpala]

What is to explain? I'm not going to write a full length essay for the sake of MMO-OT.

You're perfectly willing to write most of one answering my questions. So, towards whom or what do you direct your hate?

[schwarzkopf]

No, rejection of ALL of something is called extremism.

Balance involves taking the best from various approaches.

[Theodarzna]

You're perfectly willing to write most of one answering my questions. So, towards whom or what do you direct your hate?

See, I don't believe for a moment such a loaded question is "mere curiosity."

[belfpala]

See, I don't believe for a moment such a loaded question is "mere curiosity."

I don't know how to unload a question, unless you've loaded it for me. Have you?

[xfloydex]

No i love nationalism. I have a relationship with my country. I love my home. My town. My community. My football team. I love the very ground i walk on and the rich history of my nation. I respect my ancestors and what they did to give me what i have. It's not a choice i made. Its just how i feel.

[d00mGuArD]

Personally, i wish someone would engineer a virus, bacteria, nanobots or chemical that could be introduced into everyone's water supply that would make everyone sterile while still allowing them to function sexually. You would have to apply for a permit to have children based on your health and other status's. If you qualified, your nanobots would be reprogrammed, virus, chemical or bacteria antidote.

Check out the book "Inferno" by Dan Brown. Not the Tom Hanks movie though. The movie was different ending. Check the book

[pionock]

I don't think I'd reject most aspects. Things like free college I disagree with for the most part, but that's for another thread so I won't expound on that here. There's nothing wrong with interacting in the global market or policies but it should never be at the expense of our nation as a whole.

The other thing that bothers me is hearing this notion that you shouldn't be even somewhat loyal to the country from where you're born because you had no choice in it. It shouldn't matter if you had no choice in the matter. That country helped you to get educated, helped to keep you safe, and as another user said, it influenced your culture and language among other things. There should be some pride taken in your native country, and those living in it. I want to help my countrymen over foreigners because I would like to think that they'd help me out if I'm in need.

If you really like another country's values and environment over your native one, maybe nut the hell up and move there.

[Kuntantee]

European style genetic/ethnic nationalism? Any sane person would reject it.

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No, rejection of ALL of something is called extremism.

Balance involves taking the best from various approaches.

You do not reject Nazism?

[Babadoo]

Countries should have their identities. We don't question the identities of African or Asian countries but why are we against European countries having identity?

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No i love nationalism. I have a relationship with my country. I love my home. My town. My community. My football team. I love the very ground i walk on and the rich history of my nation. I respect my ancestors and what they did to give me what i have. It's not a choice i made. Its just how i feel.

If you are white that makes you a white supremacist.

[Garnier Fructis]

Countries should have their identities. We don't question the identities of African or Asian countries but why are we against European countries having identity?

Because identities other than 'my ethnic group' exist.

[Babadoo]

Because identities other than 'my ethnic group' exist.

Have you ever been to Eastern Asia or North Africa. You will see some of the biggest racist in the world there. But somehow no one has problem with it. Double fuckin standards.

[Macaquerie]

Countries should have their identities. We don't question the identities of African or Asian countries but why are we against European countries having identity?

Considering that the borders of most African and Asian countries were drawn by European colonial powers without regard to their ethnic or cultural makeup, I would venture to say that lots of people question the identities of those places. Arguably most of the problems in the Middle East over the last 100 years stem from how the British and French carved up the territory after WWI without considering the needs of the people who actually lived there.

[Deletedaccount1]

i dont think any of your points are things that have anything to do with nationalism.

Nationalism is beeing sworn to your country, and to defend it loyally and fight for it with any means in any situation.

universal healthcare is a basic standard in the developed world, it has nothing to do with nationalism.

It has everything to do with nationalism. Paying for the healthcare of others makes no sense when you realize that it is based on a nationalistic delusion that your fellow countrymen should be allowed to coerce money out of you. That delusion is so strong that complete strangers benefit from your tax dollars when in similar scenarios it would be considered supererogatory or immoral. Legally and morally speaking, a family member outside your immediate family (or even in an immediate family) is not compelled to pay for your healthcare even as a child yet a universal healthcare system somehow convinces people that you are compelled to pay for complete strangers who you will never meet.

[Total Crica]

It has everything to do with nationalism. Paying for the healthcare of others makes no sense when you realize that it is based on a nationalistic delusion that your fellow countrymen should be allowed to coerce money out of you. That delusion is so strong that complete strangers benefit from your tax dollars when in similar scenarios it would be considered supererogatory or immoral. Legally and morally speaking, a family member outside your immediate family (or even in an immediate family) is not compelled to pay for your healthcare even as a child yet a universal healthcare system somehow convinces people that you are compelled to pay for complete strangers who you will never meet.

You are dumb.

Where you going to get your precious money from if everyone is unhealthy?

Unhealthy people don't make money so they won't be buying anything from you to make you money and they damned sure are not going to be able to work for you to make you money.


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[Deletedaccount1]

You are dumb.

Unhealthy people don't make money so they won't be buying anything from you to make you money and they damned sure are not going to be able to work for you to make you money.

Where you going to get your precious money if everyone is unhealthy because they can't afford health care costs?

Take a health econ class. You are greatly overestimating the relationship between health and medicine.

[Total Crica]

Take a health econ class. You are greatly overestimating the relationship between health and medicine.

Which part of my post said anything about medicine? Unhealthy people don't have the money to take your class, dummy, they can't work to make your money.

[SL1200]

-Taking less international students at universities to provide better education opportunities for your own citizens
-Universal Healthcare
-Infrastructure revival
-Free College
-Basic Income

If this was the platform. I would be willing to vote for it.