Do you believe Alt-Right Neo Nazis should be listened to?

[JohnBrown1917]

Hilary made up the alt right so people on the left had something to be angry towards and they take to it like a duck to water and eventually the alt right became a thing. Don't know why I'm arguing on a mostly leftist site anywhere.

Your buddy Richard Spencer coined it, accept reality.

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An ideology that starts with the premise that I'm less of a human is obviously not something worth listening to.

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I honestly don't see why people think this.

Some have this strange idea that nazis can be stopped by refuting them...
Would be nice if that worked in real life.

[Ahovv]

It worked great in the '30s.

I still am baffled why you think this is the same scenario.

Should I also want to ban anyone loosely associated with communism/socialism because "look what happened in the Soviet Union!?"

[Sirfailalot]

Little addendum as Jaylock reminded me of when THEY get violent, yeah. Words are fine and dandy, but if they start attacking people physically feel free to break a few limbs to make it easier on the cops. This does not mean shouting them down, provoking them, spitting on them until they decide to punch you. That just makes you a fucking child.

[Velerios]

Yup. Everyone should have the right to voice their opinion - just like everyone else has the right to not listen to said opinion.

Exactly. I don't think you should give platforms to those idiots, the problem is that with the internet a lot of things changed: every idiot can nowadays scream out in the world, and that's a big problem of the concept of free speech; still the media is mostly at fault: if they wouldn't give so much attention to those idiots, there wouldn't be so much of an issue about it.

[Mittens]

Nope, fuckers like that are best ignored or relentlessly mocked.

[The Penguin]

Actually as the owners of their businesses, Google and Paypal are entirely within their rights to deny a platform to ANYONE for ANY REASON.

Not when they are the only reliable mediums available for online transactions and apps. I'm all for breaking them up into smaller entities to alleviate that, but this would be like the US Gov., saying: "You can't use my money to buy things because your a Nazi / Antifa". Moreover Paypal has in the past routinely seized the assets of people merely because they had politics they dislike, which is tantamount to conversion. No matter who the individual is, you don't get to wake up one day and claim their money because you decided you now dislike them.

There has to be a reason formed in illegality. Being a Nazi or a member of Antifa is not illegal, and because of that, there are a couple cases pending which Paypal will lose in all likelihood. Frankly I hope Paypal is slammed with serious punitive damages and fines as well, as that sort of thing is text-book bad-faith business dealings. Because Paypal does this, I don't do online transactions as a general rule with them. By this, I mean I don't do online transactions at all save a few small ones through alternate means.

To reiterate my point, while people and small businesses have that right, Large Corporations that are 80%+ of the total market do not. This was decided in the Gilded Age when Oil Companies played this game, and it'll come up again if the envelope is pressed where it'll again be decided the same way, and for the same reasons.

[Daethz]

Just as much as alt-left socialist nazis.
No.
They should all be ignored and shunned by society.

And yeah, people are over-blowing the Neo-Nazi thing, there's probably less than a thousand of them in America and they are all dumb trolls who don't even know a single historical fact about Nazis other than they genocided cultures and people they disliked.

Every time I see a thread like this it's usually run by and full of people who think "everyone who is against immigration is a neo-nazi!".

[Mormolyce]

We did listen to them, back in the 1930s.

Let's just say that line of discussion is resolved.

I put no but /pol/ memes are some of the best ones around.

I have yet to see any that aren't shit tier.

[announced]

let them speak as long as they dont incite violence, but dont follow them.

[Zeek Daniels]

I dont understand the question. We do have ears you know. Kinda hard not to listen to them if they are talking to you. And by platform do you mean a mouth? Because unless they are mute they can talk. Im really not sure i understand the question.

[Masoner]

There's nothing new about their ideology and we already know the rest. Why bother?

People should be allowed to say what they want so someone can then respond, this will open a discussion.

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Just as much as alt-left socialist nazis.
No.
They should all be ignored and shunned by society.

And yeah, people are over-blowing the Neo-Nazi thing, there's probably less than a thousand of them in America and they are all dumb trolls who don't even know a single historical fact about Nazis other than they genocided cultures and people they disliked.

Every time I see a thread like this it's usually run by and full of people who think "everyone who is against immigration is a neo-nazi!".

But they should be allowed to actually talk. You need to allow people to speak so you can then respond and talk about it.

Also the idea of attacking people who you don't agree with is a clear tactic of pathetic losers who are small minded and flaccid both in their words and in sexual organs.

[Daethz]

People should be allowed to say what they want so someone can then respond, this will open a discussion.

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But they should be allowed to actually talk. You need to allow people to speak so you can then respond and talk about it.

Also the idea of attacking people who you don't agree with is a clear tactic of pathetic losers who are small minded and flaccid both in their words and in sexual organs.

Absolutely, let them talk as much as they want, that is freedom.
"Punching a nazi" is actual a nazi approach, silencing your opposition with force or violence.
In the early 1900's the literal nazi party seeked to silence the jewish people with violence.

[Helgrimm]

Many of the ideologies spouted by neo nazis are actually just legitimate concerns voiced by stupid people. The haterd they spew is just unintelligent, misdirected anger caused by real societal problems, such as unemployment, poor education, and negative effects of immigration (real or percieved). I don't think many neo nazis actually believe in the ideology of the nazis, but rather their nazism is the result of one of these other problems.

[infinit]

99.99% of the people called Nazis are just people the far left disagree with.

all you do when you call everyone nazis is muddy the water so real "nazis" are not taken seriously.

[Aehl]

Let them speak, and ignore them.

Yup. Everyone should have the right to voice their opinion - just like everyone else has the right to not listen to said opinion.

This.

[chrisnumbers]

You'll ultimately do what you want in the end.
I just recommend everyone listens to every idea that they can so you can decide what good and bad ideas even look like.
If you sit inside your little bubble, you'll have no clue that maybe your ideas are the bad ones.

[Flatspriest]

I believe that the alt-right neo-nazi idiots should be listened to as much as the far left antifa idiots. They are both movements that spout violence for the sake of violence.

[Adam Jensen]

Nah. Fuck 'em. Especially the Nazis. They fucking lost fighting the most brutal war history has ever seen (except maybe, adjusted for proportion of population killed, Genghis Khan) proving the world rejects their evil and stupid racist philosophies. So anyone who still espouses those beliefs can just continue to fuck themselves with a cactus for all I care.

They've got every right in the US to speak. But there's nothing saying they're entitled an audience.

As for the Alt-Right? Fine. Speak. So we can debunk your ridiculous Infowars talking points.

[Theodarzna]

We let open Communists speak, I see no reason why we would let the Alt-Right speak.

[TEHPALLYTANK]

You kind of have to in order to know that they are alt-right neo-nazis, or just a fucking idiot trying to get attention by being edgy. Burying your head in the sand is just going to leave you blind to any potential threats.