Firefox vs chrome?

[Flame6]

I use chrome. it's fast enough, but the deciding factor is the whole connected environment. I've got google smart devices in the home and on the phone, so it provides more convenience than firefox.

[Gaidax]

I use chrome. it's fast enough, but the deciding factor is the whole connected environment. I've got google smart devices in the home and on the phone, so it provides more convenience than firefox.

This basically, Firefox improved a lot lately, but ultimately it is not better than Chrome, while Chrome is obviously better integrated with Google where all my stuff is.

[Deleted]

Chrome <3

I haven’t used anything else in years.

[Deleted]

This basically, Firefox improved a lot lately, but ultimately it is not better than Chrome, while Chrome is obviously better integrated with Google where all my stuff is.

Of course this data gathering is something that would drive other people away from Chrome.
In that case you'd most likely want Firefox or at least some browser that is merely chromium based like Vivaldi or Opera, which gives you the engine and extensions without the ties to Google.

[Deleted]

I use both but prefer Firefox. On the whole I don't really notice much of a difference, and I don't mind Chrome. There's just some smaller things which I prefer about Firefox, it having the option to have a Menu bar is one of them.

[chazus]

Of course this data gathering is something that would drive other people away from Chrome.

Anyone concerned about 'data gathering' doesn't understand how any of it works.

You want to avoid data gathering? Move to the woods. Anything else is simply theatrical.

[Artorius]

As for scrolling animations, well just have a look at this site here; Edge scrolls much smoother.

Any WinRT program scrolls like that, it was mainly implemented by design to be as smooth as possible when used with touchscreens, so it ended up pretty good with a normal scrollwheel too. Firefox isn't exactly that far from it though, Chrome is just very bad at scrolling. But I honestly doubt people would be THAT bothered by the difference. Edge is very good in a few things but still very unstable in other things.

It also lacks a lot of features that you can get in other browsers through extensions or tweaking FF's about:config page. I for example need to be able to make ctrl+tab work like alt+tab, which is possible in FF changing a flag, impossible in Chrome and Edge as far as I know.

Being very honest any modern browser is fine.

[Deleted]

Anyone concerned about 'data gathering' doesn't understand how any of it works.

Not sure I understand what you're trying to say here, but surely you are not saying that any data collection by any entity is totally fine?

You want to avoid data gathering? Move to the woods. Anything else is simply theatrical.

This is not a black and white issue as in either "move back into caves" or "give any information to everyone who happens to ask for it". You can and imho should find a middle ground that is acceptable for you.

[chazus]

Not sure I understand what you're trying to say here, but surely you are not saying that any data collection by any entity is totally fine?

It's not fine, but largely taking any action to try and reduce it is a lesson in futility. A waste of time.

This is not a black and white issue as in either "move back into caves" or "give any information to everyone who happens to ask for it". You can and imho should find a middle ground that is acceptable for you.

Except, there isn't a middle ground, outside of "makes me feel good". If you want to 'feel' like you're handing out less info, and thats the goal.. Go for it. If you actually want less info being handled, that's different.

Using things like VPN's and incognito mode and avoiding google is about as effective as 'thoughts and prayers'

[Serpha]

It's not fine, but largely taking any action to try and reduce it is a lesson in futility. A waste of time.



Except, there isn't a middle ground, outside of "makes me feel good". If you want to 'feel' like you're handing out less info, and thats the goal.. Go for it. If you actually want less info being handled, that's different.

Using things like VPN's and incognito mode and avoiding google is about as effective as 'thoughts and prayers'

That's a stupid thing to say.

[chazus]

That's a stupid thing to say.

But it's also mostly true.

Granted, I consider data collection mostly harmless, too.

[Serpha]

But it's also mostly true.

Granted, I consider data collection mostly harmless, too.

That's what a person with "power" would say. Data collection is borderline illegal if not illegal in most countries but there you go. While data collection does happen, using vpn and other means of staying "hidden" renders those collections useless.

[chazus]

That's what a person with "power" would say.

Not even entirely sure what that is supposed to mean.

Data collection is borderline illegal if not illegal in most countries but there you go. While data collection does happen, using vpn and other means of staying "hidden" renders those collections useless.

It definitely doesn't render it useless. Anonymous (or dislocated) data is still quite useful, and valuable.

[Thunderball]

While data collection does happen, using vpn and other means of staying "hidden" renders those collections useless.

Come on, dont be naive. If the government wants your private data they are going to get it. Data collection services wouldnt exist if anonymous data wasnt useful.

[Deleted]

It's not fine, but largely taking any action to try and reduce it is a lesson in futility. A waste of time.

Except, there isn't a middle ground, outside of "makes me feel good". If you want to 'feel' like you're handing out less info, and thats the goal.. Go for it. If you actually want less info being handled, that's different.

I disagree. Sure some information might be required for a process but that doesn't mean I cannot limit the information at all and/or reduce the number of parties who "know".

Using things like VPN's and incognito mode and avoiding google is about as effective as 'thoughts and prayers'

Well, VPNs are fairly effective in shielding otherwise unencrypted traffic from prying eyes on a (shared) medium, which can't really be said about prayers.

[Leyre]

Chrome wont let me watch porn, Firefox does, so fuck Chrome

[goldman]

Was a firefox fanboy back in version 3, switched(reluctantly) to chrome in version 4 or 5, as it was obvious they were running that ship to the ground.
Switched back with FF 55, it's basically the same as crome but i can do shift+enter for .net and ctrl+shift+enter for .org. Also 57 looks awesomesauce
EDIT: also it has a dark theme, which seems to have become somewhat of a fetish of mine lately lol

[chazus]

I disagree. Sure some information might be required for a process but that doesn't mean I cannot limit the information at all and/or reduce the number of parties who "know".

While technically true, the amount you're limiting it by is... virtually nonexistant. Thats largely why I don't bother. All I'm doing is putting more work in, and not really affecting how much data is collected, relatively speaking. If I run addons and tools and buy a vpn and do all these other things and spend money to deny 20 points of access, great. I've knocked it down by 1%.

Well, VPNs are fairly effective in shielding otherwise unencrypted traffic from prying eyes on a (shared) medium, which can't really be said about prayers.

They're... not though. All they do is separate 'you' from the 'info'. The info is still 90% useful for aggregate purposes.

[Deleted]

While technically true, the amount you're limiting it by is... virtually nonexistant. Thats largely why I don't bother. All I'm doing is putting more work in, and not really affecting how much data is collected, relatively speaking. If I run addons and tools and buy a vpn and do all these other things and spend money to deny 20 points of access, great. I've knocked it down by 1%.

I suspect we're talking about different things here, but for example if you do not block advertising networks while browsing, you're essentially giving away your browsing profile/habits to a few dozen companies, which in somes case might even contain (or be easily linked to) your identity.

They're... not though.

Yes they are, they DO protect en-route traffic through encryption and they are pretty good at it. How much the recipient can gather from the information you send is a different matter.

All they do is separate 'you' from the 'info'. The info is still 90% useful for aggregate purposes.

Which wasn't really the point I was making about VPNs.
But if the separation and aggregation cannot be (easily) reversed I'm pretty happy with that result.

[Thunderball]

I suspect we're talking about different things here, but for example if you do not block advertising networks while browsing, you're essentially giving away your browsing profile/habits to a few dozen companies, which in somes case might even contain (or be easily linked to) your identity.

You're giving it away anyway.

Which wasn't really the point I was making about VPNs.
But if the aggregation cannot be (easily) reversed I'm pretty happy with that result.

It's still not going to protect you and your data from identification by someone looking for you.